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Chokyi Wangpo

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Re: The New Buddhism
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2010, 10:47:47 pm »
I think it will take centuries (we are after all half way through one). Good translators are really needed. Also the the whole exponential information things is crap. Almost all social/information exponential curves become geometric over time. Plateaus are inevitable, and just because progress seems to be being made techonologically faster than ever doesn't mean that it will continue do to so and at an accelerated pace. Timothy Leary, and Robert Anton wilson used to make these claims, and that in the future as a result they would live forever. The internet is like a giant collective unconsious, and while it does make a lot of information accessible, most of it is worthless and unnecessary. Furthermore the amount of of new(?) information being generated is directly related to the number of people. The next major disaster like 65 million years ago, or catastrophic war, or super plague (or more likely complete collapse of our food system because of the severe land degredation going on world wide), will reduce our technology to frontier or worse. A lot of our the way our world works depends on the rediculously large number of people to maintain it: Fuel from oil, nuclear; and the energy/communication infastructure, as soon as this population is reduced because it is not sustainable, those technologies will be lost. This is pretty much inevitable.

Aside from the doom and gloom above, I hope that people do not appropriate western spiritual images into vajrayana practice. Mostly I am speaking of Abrahamic Figures, but I think some of the Norse gods would be fun to have as dharmapalas (just an entertaining thought really I am not serious about this) so all you future Padmasambhava's go bind the Asatru figures eh? Of course St. Patrick was kind of like  a Siddha, throwing lightning bolts, battling indigenous dieties, changing into a deer. He performed all the four types of activities. Whatever happens happens. Religions alway appropriate the customs of indigenous cultures when coming into a new area for example Christmas.

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Re: The New Buddhism
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2010, 12:20:24 am »
Aside from the doom and gloom above, I hope that people do not appropriate western spiritual images into vajrayana practice. Mostly I am speaking of Abrahamic Figures, but I think some of the Norse gods would be fun to have as dharmapalas (just an entertaining thought really I am not serious about this) so all you future Padmasambhava's go bind the Asatru figures eh? Of course St. Patrick was kind of like  a Siddha, throwing lightning bolts, battling indigenous dieties, changing into a deer. He performed all the four types of activities. 

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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2010, 10:04:14 am »
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I just wanted to clarify that the tantra in Tibetan Buddhism is Mahayana Buddhist tantra, and that rather than mixing with Bon, in terms of doctrine and such, some masters like Padmasambhava appropriated some of Bon's aesthetics and trappings and offering practices, such as tormas and prayer flags, but using them as representations of Buddhist principles or the practice thereof. Some of Bon's mundane, outer practices which didn't conflict with Buddhist doctrine were introduced into Tibetan Buddhism wholesale though. Bon in turn then, perhaps ironically, borrowed much from sutra and tantra Mahayana in recent centuries and can now hardly be distinguished from Tibetan Buddhism. It now has its own nearly verbatim Prajnaparamita and Madhyamaka, for instance, a doctrine of dependent origination identical to Mahayana's, speaks of refuge in the three jewels (although their buddha is named Tonpa Shenrab and is claimed to be from well before Shakyamuni's time) and generating bodhicitta; they refer to samsara and nirvana and buddhas and bodhisattvas and all that.

This is such a good post.   :hello:

But Pema I thought that in the Bon tradition Buddha Shakyamuni is not taken as an object of refuge.  Even now.

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Re: The New Buddhism
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2010, 04:29:39 pm »
But Pema I thought that in the Bon tradition Buddha Shakyamuni is not taken as an object of refuge.  Even now.

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Laura,

My understanding is that Bonpo masters tend to consider Buddha Shakyamuni every bit as enlightened as we do, but he is not the buddha they consider the fountainhead of their tradition. That buddha's name was Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche and they believe he appeared in this world something like 18,000 yrs ago. When they take refuge, they take refuge in Buddha Shenrab Miwoche and in place of Chos (Tibetan for Dharma), they take refuge in Bon. Bonpos have their own Prajnaparamita and Madhyamika though, for instance, but they consider them a stream of transmission separate from and (I believe) in fact before the Buddhist streams, while Tibetan Buddhists often see a clear case of borrowing. It gets even more complicated when it comes to tantra and Dzogchen, because although they have their own teachings of those, Padmasambhava and Vairochana (and some others I think) are said by Nyingmapas and Bonpos to have left some termas for the Bonpos, and several Nyingma tertons revealed termas of these Bonpo teachings which they then transmitted to them.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2010, 04:34:26 pm by Pema Rigdzin, Reason: Left out a point. »

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Re: The New Buddhism
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2010, 05:40:23 pm »
Thanks a lot, that was very informative   :namaste:

 


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