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5 precepts in Pure Land
« on: January 08, 2019, 03:40:01 am »
Hello all,
thank you for reading this message.

Recently i graduated university in Philosophy, coupled with stress and the crazy things some 20th century philosophers thought.. it kind of made me lose my mind a little bit. Fortunately chanting evens me out somewhat.

I remember to do daily chanting morning and evening Naam ami daau 3 sets in night and Namo amita pul (korean), in the morning 10 times with my medicine bowl.
I also chant all the time when i can if i dont need to focus on something. i cant focus on chanting and other things at the same time. maybe its just me ><

But other than that i feel a little like a kite in a strong breeze.
Any suggestions?

Furthermore, i took the 5 precepts.
I wonder what pure land says about each. I'd like to know more about the precepts most notably sexual misconduct and lying.
These are the only two i get confused with.

Like if i lie but it stops some being hurt, more than saying the truth, then its better to not say the direct truth but be sensitive to their feelings. But sometimes if i say the direct truth then it uncovers things i don't like people to find out.
Situation: a girl asks, do i look fat in this. answer: yes. ok now i damaged her insecurities.

Sexual misconduct.
Its a misconduct if its either cheating, affair, or the women says no. But what about if two agreeing adults at the time of that moment decide to have sex and both are single? thats ok?

Thank you for all your help.
Blessings and love to all.
Namo Amitapul.

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Re: 5 precepts in Pure Land
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2019, 08:00:36 am »
Before I address your questions about the Precept vows you took, I'd like to ask a couple questions first.

Did you take those vows within the context of a particular tradition or lineage? 

The questions you're asking would have been best addressed prior to your taking the vows.  Was this not possible?  You shouldn't take vows you don't fully understand.

And welcome to FreeSangha!
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Re: 5 precepts in Pure Land
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2019, 05:44:19 am »
I took the vows when i was in Nepal, it was Vajrana tradition.

But i am a pure land Buddhist.
Yes i guess i do need deeper clarification on these vows. But i am now in Korea.
So i dont know how i could get that?

There was some language barrier, hehe.

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Re: 5 precepts in Pure Land
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2019, 07:35:12 am »
I took the vows when i was in Nepal, it was Vajrana tradition.

But i am a pure land Buddhist.
Yes i guess i do need deeper clarification on these vows. But i am now in Korea.
So i dont know how i could get that?

There was some language barrier, hehe.

Ok, that make a lot of sense.  In the Vajrayana traditions Vows are adminstered by a persona called a "preceptor".  This is the person (or an assistant) that should have been asked.  You can't do that now, and that's ok. 

Having no adequate guidance leaves the practioner on their own, to use their best judgement and developing wisdom to determine the best path.  Don't try to get it 100% right on the first pass.  Mistakes in the practice will manifest themselves soon enough and you can change course as necessary.  It's a learning eperience.

So, if you're in a consentual relationship and you feel ok about it, then carry on.

The truth is never a bad idea, and for a lot of reasons, even though it may not seem that way.  If you lie, you have to cover that lie forever.  That's emotionally exhausting.  It's also bad karma.  That said, sometimes the consequences of the truth may be greater than a lie.  I can think of a few times when a lie may have been a better idea of the truth.  Sometimes, no matter what you say, the result will be unacceptable - damned if you do and damned if you don't.  Again, here's where the cultivation of widom is indispensable.

This can't won't happen overnight.  It will take years, lifetimes perhaps, to develop the wisdom to fullfill the precepts.  And it won't be easy.

Many years ago, a car ran over a deer right in front of my house.  Both hind legs were broken clean off, leaving the animal alive and able to move, but just barely.  The pain was, I'm sure, indescribable.  There was no way this poor animal was live very long, but the time left would be indescribably painful.  We decided the only humane course was to end the suffering, so we shot the animal dead.

It was mercy, but violated a precept.  My karma took a hit.  What little wisdom I have tells me that the suffering of a being, is far more important than my personal karma and if ending that kind of suffering, even if momentary, increases my karmic debt, it's a small price to pay.

The point is, widom is important.  If you have a teacher to advise you, that's awesome and very helpful.  If not, you have to rely on your own best judgment, right or wrong and then own it.

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Re: 5 precepts in Pure Land
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2019, 09:41:52 pm »
Thats wonderful i like what you said there about Karma taking a hit.

I also did something similar too, at the  time i was living in Korea and i had to go  to University in England. I decided that my sister was having an emotional time so i went University near her. Though i didnt enjoy that  Uni and would have prefered one closer to my friends. i felt i should take the hit. My sister was far more important to me.
I don't see the results right away, but i can see them gradually, and though she didnt make as much progress as id have liked, i am sure there was some progress she made from having my company and presence there.

Thank you so much, i think thats what draws me away from Therevada this like almost self focused view of cessation.
I personally feel that though i may be bound into samsara for inumerable lifetimes, the cessation of innumerable other beings is a greater concern. Ill take the hit where i can to fulfill the precepts and help sentient beings where possible.

Thank you for your wisdom, insights and support.  I'll just be responsible with the precepts and self-reflective.
I guess the two i mentioned about 'truth' and 'sexual misconduct' are the two i have most difficulty with; so many thats why they are hazy to me. But don't kill any being - kind of straight forward dont intentionally take life. don't steal again straight forward- dont intentionally steal. dont take intoxicants again straight forward - dont ingest any intoxications notably alcohol. but yea 'truth and sexual misconduct'  i feel in alot of ways they  are linked also, so maybe the sexual misconduct is what i need to focus on most.. as when i think about it the only hard time i have with 'truth' is being honest to women; about relationships, love, feelings or sexual intentions.

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Re: 5 precepts in Pure Land
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2019, 01:21:47 am »
Hi maapaa,

You seem to have some insight into your difficulty with truth & sexual misconduct.  That is definitely a good beginning. 

Perhaps being truthful about this sundry weakness to the women you meet and have attraction to, right upfront, would be a way to start overcoming that...

Meanwhile, may I offer this advice - from Taming The Monkey Mind - A Guide To Pure Land Practice, by Cheng Wei-an (Translation with Commentary by Dharma Master Suddhisukha) available online at https://bit.ly/2CKpR8I

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Buddha Recitation and the Mind

Having made up your mind to engage in Pure Land practice by reciting the Buddha's name, you should not dwell on sundry good or bad actions (1) once they have been performed. In other words, everyday activities should be carried out in a matter-of-fact way, and once finished, be let go. (2) Do not hold on to them - or they will disturb your peace of mind.

In fact, the reason you fail to let go of sundry good or bad actions is that your mind has not yet been tamed. If you have recited the Buddha's name to the point where the mind-ground is bright and clear, the mind in samadhi has no room for sundry thoughts.

You should realize that Buddha Recitation can turn ordinary persons into sages. It is the most important means of liberation in this world and the worlds beyond.

Commentary. Daily occupations are overly time-consuming. The dusts of the world -- layers upon layers of them -- cling to our lives. As a result, we cannot be free of speculation and calculation, and too much calculation causes the mind to churn and be in turmoil; too much turmoil saps our energy and spirit. Therefore, when we realize that this life is fleeting, not permanent - a matter of borrowing and repaying - and return to the spiritual life, everlasting and true, we cannot but let go of false realms to live in the realm of True Suchness. Mundane or sacred, deluded or enlightened - everything is but Mind alone.
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