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5 precepts in Pure Land
« on: January 08, 2019, 03:40:01 am »
Hello all,
thank you for reading this message.

Recently i graduated university in Philosophy, coupled with stress and the crazy things some 20th century philosophers thought.. it kind of made me lose my mind a little bit. Fortunately chanting evens me out somewhat.

I remember to do daily chanting morning and evening Naam ami daau 3 sets in night and Namo amita pul (korean), in the morning 10 times with my medicine bowl.
I also chant all the time when i can if i dont need to focus on something. i cant focus on chanting and other things at the same time. maybe its just me ><

But other than that i feel a little like a kite in a strong breeze.
Any suggestions?

Furthermore, i took the 5 precepts.
I wonder what pure land says about each. I'd like to know more about the precepts most notably sexual misconduct and lying.
These are the only two i get confused with.

Like if i lie but it stops some being hurt, more than saying the truth, then its better to not say the direct truth but be sensitive to their feelings. But sometimes if i say the direct truth then it uncovers things i don't like people to find out.
Situation: a girl asks, do i look fat in this. answer: yes. ok now i damaged her insecurities.

Sexual misconduct.
Its a misconduct if its either cheating, affair, or the women says no. But what about if two agreeing adults at the time of that moment decide to have sex and both are single? thats ok?

Thank you for all your help.
Blessings and love to all.
Namo Amitapul.

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Re: 5 precepts in Pure Land
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2019, 08:00:36 am »
Before I address your questions about the Precept vows you took, I'd like to ask a couple questions first.

Did you take those vows within the context of a particular tradition or lineage? 

The questions you're asking would have been best addressed prior to your taking the vows.  Was this not possible?  You shouldn't take vows you don't fully understand.

And welcome to FreeSangha!
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Re: 5 precepts in Pure Land
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2019, 05:44:19 am »
I took the vows when i was in Nepal, it was Vajrana tradition.

But i am a pure land Buddhist.
Yes i guess i do need deeper clarification on these vows. But i am now in Korea.
So i dont know how i could get that?

There was some language barrier, hehe.

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Re: 5 precepts in Pure Land
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2019, 07:35:12 am »
I took the vows when i was in Nepal, it was Vajrana tradition.

But i am a pure land Buddhist.
Yes i guess i do need deeper clarification on these vows. But i am now in Korea.
So i dont know how i could get that?

There was some language barrier, hehe.

Ok, that make a lot of sense.  In the Vajrayana traditions Vows are adminstered by a persona called a "preceptor".  This is the person (or an assistant) that should have been asked.  You can't do that now, and that's ok. 

Having no adequate guidance leaves the practioner on their own, to use their best judgement and developing wisdom to determine the best path.  Don't try to get it 100% right on the first pass.  Mistakes in the practice will manifest themselves soon enough and you can change course as necessary.  It's a learning eperience.

So, if you're in a consentual relationship and you feel ok about it, then carry on.

The truth is never a bad idea, and for a lot of reasons, even though it may not seem that way.  If you lie, you have to cover that lie forever.  That's emotionally exhausting.  It's also bad karma.  That said, sometimes the consequences of the truth may be greater than a lie.  I can think of a few times when a lie may have been a better idea of the truth.  Sometimes, no matter what you say, the result will be unacceptable - damned if you do and damned if you don't.  Again, here's where the cultivation of widom is indispensable.

This can't won't happen overnight.  It will take years, lifetimes perhaps, to develop the wisdom to fullfill the precepts.  And it won't be easy.

Many years ago, a car ran over a deer right in front of my house.  Both hind legs were broken clean off, leaving the animal alive and able to move, but just barely.  The pain was, I'm sure, indescribable.  There was no way this poor animal was live very long, but the time left would be indescribably painful.  We decided the only humane course was to end the suffering, so we shot the animal dead.

It was mercy, but violated a precept.  My karma took a hit.  What little wisdom I have tells me that the suffering of a being, is far more important than my personal karma and if ending that kind of suffering, even if momentary, increases my karmic debt, it's a small price to pay.

The point is, widom is important.  If you have a teacher to advise you, that's awesome and very helpful.  If not, you have to rely on your own best judgment, right or wrong and then own it.

 


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