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Offline Dharma Flower

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Re: Near-Death Experiences of the Pure Land
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2019, 02:43:29 pm »
If we are able to purify our obscurations, we can live in a pure land here and now.


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Yes, if you are a monk or nun and able to devote yourself full-time to practice. The Pure Land, according to the Vimalakirti Sutra, is here and now in the eyes of the Buddha, rather than in the eyes of an ordinary being.
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Re: Near-Death Experiences of the Pure Land
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2019, 02:45:01 pm »
maybe a powerful miracle is needed for faith


I follow Buddhism because it needs neither miracles nor faith, unlike other religions. Meditation and following the path worked for me so I needed neither.


If you experienced a deathbed vision of the Pure Land, wouldn't you know from personal experience, rather than blind faith, that it exists? Prof. Carl Becker has documented at least a 100 such cases of deathbed experiences of the Pure Land.


I do know from personal experience, so I don't need to wait until I am on my deathbed. As I said, Buddhism worked for me so I don't need faith.


You've had a personal experience of the Buddhist afterlife known as the Pure Land? Please tell us more.


My insight experiences are pretty extensive, but not easily slotted into someone else's definitions of what they mean. Pure Land is not for me despite what I've seen, not because of any possible reality or not but because of the 'blind faith' aspect. Chanting a single word doesn't do it for me (although it clearly does for many others) so Pure Land Buddhism is likewise not suitable. For me there is neither a Buddhist afterlife nor not a Buddhist afterlife. BTW, if you are really interested in the stuff I have 'seen' you have to ask in the right way.


Pure Land Buddhism is the most widely practiced form of Buddhism in East Asia, with the most common goal being rebirth into the Pure Land after death.

If you feel it's not for you personally, then perhaps your karma hasn't prepared you for it yet:

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Without a stock of goodness from past lives,
One cannot hear this sutra;
But those who have strictly observed the precepts
Can hear the right Dharma. [273b]

One who has met a World-Honored One in the past
Can accept this teaching.
Such a person respectfully worships, hears
And upholds it, and rejoices so greatly as to dance.

Arrogant, corrupt and indolent people
Cannot readily accept this teaching.
But those who have met Buddhas in their past lives
Rejoice to hear it.
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Re: Near-Death Experiences of the Pure Land
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2019, 06:27:30 pm »

You've had a personal experience of the Buddhist afterlife known as the Pure Land? Please tell us more.


A Pure Land is not a Buddhist "afterlife".



Is it the English language or the teachings of Pure Land Buddhism that you need more help with understanding?

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afterlife noun
af·​ter·​life | \ ˈaf-tər-ˌlīf  \
Definition of afterlife
1 : an existence after death
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/afterlife

There is no "afterlife".  I need no help in understanding.
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Re: Near-Death Experiences of the Pure Land
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2019, 03:53:40 am »
Dharma Flower  "Pure Land Buddhism is the most widely practiced form of Buddhism in East Asia, with the most common goal being rebirth into the Pure Land after death.
If you feel it's not for you personally, then perhaps your karma hasn't prepared you for it yet."

If people in the East want rebirth it's up to them. If they want to imagine some form of heaven it's up to them. If they still feel the need for magical places it's up to them. Luckily for those who don't want such things, Buddhism doesn't need to be Pure Land to be Buddhism. We can all follow the path in our own way.

If you want to talk in terms of Karma (which doesn't necessarily exist) then my 'Karma' let's me see your Pure Land for what it is- another interpretation of what one catches glimpses of during insight experiences. But these glimpses can be interpreted in many different ways, and still be Buddhism. Which is why there are forms of Buddhism other than Pure Land.

My 'Karma' has prepared me for all the forms of Buddhism I have yet met, and allows me to carry on exploring new interpretations.

BTW. You still haven't asked.
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Re: Near-Death Experiences of the Pure Land
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2019, 08:43:31 am »
Quote from: Dharma Flower
Yes, if you are a monk or nun and able to devote yourself full-time to practice. The Pure Land, according to the Vimalakirti Sutra, is here and now in the eyes of the Buddha, rather than in the eyes of an ordinary being.

I am not a monk or nun ... and I seem to remember that neither are you, you are a married man with a wife and family.  I follow the instructions of my teachers, as well as my own common sense, both of which are more important than the actual length of time I do formal practice.


"Pure Land Buddhism is the most widely practiced form of Buddhism in East Asia",
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Sorry but that's of no interest to me, I don't practice Pure Land Buddhism, nor do I live in East Asia.

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Re: Near-Death Experiences of the Pure Land
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2019, 09:39:39 am »
Anybody can pick up a book and read about it. (Buddhism)

 


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