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Buddhists: Is Christianity a Pure Land Practice?
« on: January 18, 2014, 05:45:21 pm »
(Not Advocating Christianity, just thought this would be interesting, I posted this on Yahoo Answers, but nobody's answering it, so I figured here would be better. No Trolls, atheists or Christians utterly denying it.
Being in the West, I was brought up in Christianity, but I've had a chance to seek, ask, and knock, and like the Kalama Sutra I found what I felt was conducive to the good and benefit of myself and others.
   I saw my first glimpse of this in that Youtube movie:
Did Jesus Christ learn Buddhism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmCS7P-vdRM  )

The whole purpose of Christianity is to get to Heaven, the Pure Land of Jesus Christ, and the way in order to do that is Belief in Jesus, not to mention proper morality. Basically Faith and Good Works. Similar to Amitabha's Pure Land. The chanting of Amitabha, and Christians do a similar practice which is invoking the name of Jesus and/or in Prayers (and of worship too).

I think that Kshitigarbha Bodhisattva and Jesus have a lot in Common, the descent into Hell, the liberating of Hell souls.

I mean, just look at the names, Kshiti and Christ, similar yes?
Perhaps over time the name evolved into what it is now for Christians.

I'm not sure if Kshitigarbha or Earth-Store Bodhisattva, has a Pure Land Practice, but Jesus sure does IMO. According to the Kshitigarbha Sutra, Kshitigarbha could manifest himself into as many copies as was needed to help all living beings, perhaps one of those copies made it to Bethlehem.

Maybe I should call it Pure Land Theory, I remember hearing that Buddha taught different practices for people with different levels of understanding. And in this Dharma-Ending Age, it appears that Pure Land is the way to go for most. Generation Stage Practice uses an image and then the visualization practices of seeing that goal. Whether the visualization practice be for one hour on Sundays, and/or in a prayer format, but it seems to me that this is a very watered down version of Pure Land Practice in the Christian Tradition. In essence this is Dhyana/Zen which is just another form of Concentration for Kali-Yuga beings.

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Re: Buddhists: Is Christianity a Pure Land Practice?
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2014, 05:59:36 pm »
The point of Pure Land is to go there and learn and become a Bodhisattva and then come back to help people. When people want to go to Heaven, they just want to stay there to live the good life.

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Re: Buddhists: Is Christianity a Pure Land Practice?
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2014, 06:10:51 pm »
Maybe that's how some would interpret Heaven, but living the good life would get boring after a while, an eternity to do whatever, not me, I'd want to know it all, so I would seek instruction from either God or Jesus and if need be somebody they can reference me to someone who does.

I provided a link about Jesus possibly being a Buddhist. Why is Jesus always depicted wearing a red kashya over the right shoulder, I only thought Buddhist Monks did that. Perhaps what Jesus intended on us learning might've not happened the way it was supposed to. Cause certain people in Power like to interpret things the way they would like to see it.

I also made a reference to the descent into Hell by both Jesus and Kshitigarbha.
I believe that Christianity has Buddhist Origins. Though some may not want to acknowledge that.

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Re: Buddhists: Is Christianity a Pure Land Practice?
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2014, 06:28:53 pm »
Came across this:

"…Scholars, for over two hundred years, have been pointing out the influence of Buddhism on the origins of Christianity, but Christian theologians have, in the main, been indifferent to a serious study of this relationship. Such a study would require that they acquire a deep historical knowledge of Buddhism and a mastery of the languages of Pali, Sanskrit, Tibetan and Chinese among others."

It's a quote from a small e-book (23 pages) by Michael Lockwood entitled "Buddhism's Relation to Christianity" --- haven't read it myself, but maybe someone else here has:

http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/buddhismchristianity.html

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Re: Buddhists: Is Christianity a Pure Land Practice?
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2014, 12:25:37 am »
Dharmakara :jinsyx:
I will be buying that,
found it on Amazon
but in the Hardcover,
I will get the eBook,
so my DharmaBag
will remain light.
Thank You!!!

HI-FIVE!!!



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Re: Buddhists: Is Christianity a Pure Land Practice?
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2014, 02:53:29 am »
PAX


Latin for "Peace"
I wonder which came first, the symbol or the word?

But, Dharmakara, why would I post this?

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Re: Buddhists: Is Christianity a Pure Land Practice?
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2014, 04:51:59 am »
What came first? The word came first. The symbol itself is called a "Chi Rho" and it didn't originate as a symbol for peace.

more here >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Rho

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Re: Buddhists: Is Christianity a Pure Land Practice?
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2014, 12:30:57 pm »
I believe you can "absorb" and learn a new language like Sanskrit.



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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2014, 11:29:03 pm »
Dharmakara, I was doing a Pun on your Avatar pic, the Chinese character for Peace.
Looking at that link, ya know the Chi Rho might be a modified DharmaChakra?
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2014, 11:36:18 pm »
I believe you can "absorb" and learn a new language like Sanskrit.

The only reason I made reference to the Chi-Rho and Peace was a play on Dharmakara's Chinese Avatar pic which says Peace in both Chinese and Japanese characters. Not to start anything on language. I can read many languages.

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Re: Buddhists: Is Christianity a Pure Land Practice?
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2014, 08:49:50 am »
I could be wrong, but I believe that Wesley's comment was in regard to my earlier quote from Michael Lockwood's book, that such a study would require that they acquire a deep historical knowledge of Buddhism and a mastery of the languages of Pali, Sanskrit, Tibetan and Chinese among others.

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Re: Buddhists: Is Christianity a Pure Land Practice?
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2014, 02:14:04 pm »
Christianity is the belief in the Bible and the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Re: Buddhists: Is Christianity a Pure Land Practice?
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2014, 02:25:21 pm »
What came first? The word came first. The symbol itself is called a "Chi Rho" and it didn't originate as a symbol for peace.

more here >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_Rho


I think its a symbol used by the Catholic Church.
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Re: Buddhists: Is Christianity a Pure Land Practice?
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2015, 03:43:09 am »
(...)The whole purpose of Christianity is to get to Heaven, the Pure Land of Jesus Christ, and the way in order to do that is Belief in Jesus, not to mention proper morality. Basically Faith and Good Works. Similar to Amitabha's Pure Land. The chanting of Amitabha, and Christians do a similar practice which is invoking the name of Jesus and/or in Prayers (and of worship too).
From what I have learned from the Chinese Pure Land school, there is more to faith and good work to make it to Amitabha's Pure Land. Faith here should also include right views, such as karma and reincarnation. Another essential criteria is aspiration - one has to hold strong intentions to be reborn into Amitabha's Pure Land. Good work here should refer to not just ethical conduct, but also diligent Pure Land practices as taught by the Buddha.

I think that Kshitigarbha Bodhisattva and Jesus have a lot in Common, the descent into Hell, the liberating of Hell souls.

I mean, just look at the names, Kshiti and Christ, similar yes?
Perhaps over time the name evolved into what it is now for Christians.
I've never think of that. Thanks for pointing this out!

I'm not sure if Kshitigarbha or Earth-Store Bodhisattva, has a Pure Land Practice, but Jesus sure does IMO. According to the Kshitigarbha Sutra, Kshitigarbha could manifest himself into as many copies as was needed to help all living beings, perhaps one of those copies made it to Bethlehem.
From what little I've read about it, yes, Ksitigarbha Bodhisattva does indeed have his own pure land. As the Buddha has taught, Ksitigarbha is on par with any buddha - the difference between this bodhisattva and a full buddha is merely technical, I understand. Just as Avalokitesvara (Guanyin) Bodhisattva has his own pure land, so does Ksitigarbha.

Now remembering what I have once read, because the Buddha before entering into nirvana appointed Ksitigarbha as the "agent buddha" of our world before Maitreya comes, the location of Ksitigarbha's pure land is none other than our world!

I have not studied the three sutra of Ksitigarbha in the Chinese Taisho enough to be sure of this, but it seems there isn't written a specific pure land practice there for this bodhisattva. I don't know if the Tibetan Vajrayana tradition has any in their text?

Maybe I should call it Pure Land Theory, I remember hearing that Buddha taught different practices for people with different levels of understanding. And in this Dharma-Ending Age, it appears that Pure Land is the way to go for most. Generation Stage Practice uses an image and then the visualization practices of seeing that goal. Whether the visualization practice be for one hour on Sundays, and/or in a prayer format, but it seems to me that this is a very watered down version of Pure Land Practice in the Christian Tradition. In essence this is Dhyana/Zen which is just another form of Concentration for Kali-Yuga beings. (...)
I wholeheartedly agree that Pure Land practices is the way to go for most practitioners in this day and age.

Regarding the idea of watered-down versions - well, in the eyes of accomplished practitioners many so-called Pure Land practices are already watered down in varying degrees. I mean, until one can enter Samadhi at will by recalling/remembering Amitabha, how can the practice not be a "watered down" version? One could be on the right track to finally getting the right version, but it is still not the real deal.

Please don't look at me. I have not even had a glimpse of Samadhi yet.

Could there be Christians that have figured out the real deal Pure Land practice? I certainly wouldn't be surprised if I get told an elderly lady in one Catholic church passed away reciting her rosary showing auspicious signs of a Pure Land rebirth.

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Re: Buddhists: Is Christianity a Pure Land Practice?
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2015, 05:56:49 am »
The whole purpose of Christianity is to get to Heaven, the Pure Land of Jesus Christ, and the way in order to do that is Belief in Jesus, not to mention proper morality. Basically Faith and Good Works. Similar to Amitabha's Pure Land. The chanting of Amitabha, and Christians do a similar practice which is invoking the name of Jesus and/or in Prayers (and of worship too). I think that Kshitigarbha Bodhisattva and Jesus have a lot in Common.
I have the same opinion. The basis is faith, praying, mantra, connecting with an enlightened person or God. The basis of Jesus is love to God and do good. This is the same in Amitabha Buddhismus. I call it Master-Yoga. Who prays to an enlightened master will be lead on the spiritual path.
A difference between Christianity and Amitabha Buddhism is the spiritual role model. Amitabha is a meditating buddha. As a role model he leads us to meditate and to love all people. He inspires us to become a Buddha Amitabha by ourselves. In Christianity the focus lies on sacrificing the ego, to take things as they are (your will be done) and not in the meditation. Amitabha Buddhism started with visualizing Buddha Amitabha and the paradies (pure land). In Shin Buddhism the focus lies on the mantra like praying in Christianity. But the way of love is equal.
May all people be happy. May the world be happy.

 


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