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I will become a Buddha, just as I am...
« on: October 18, 2018, 06:50:33 pm »
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Some time ago I was in correspondence with a drug addict who showed great interest in the Jodo Shinshu teaching. He had a hard time trying again and again to give up taking drugs but he always returned to his bad habit. More than this, he was afraid that he cannot be saved by Amida as he is.

I said to him:
Just entrust to Amida Buddha as you are. If you can abstain, and is useful to try, this would be good for your health, but if you cannot, don’t worry. Jodo Shinshu is especially for people who cannot abstain, who are incapable of any practice, for those that any advice or any treatment is useless, for people whose minds are too sick to recover from their problems, anxieties, and deviations. Its not that they especially want to be like this, but their habitual karma is too strong for them to overcome. After many years and even many lives of taking the drugs of ignorance and blind passions how can one think and act like a normal person? How can one practice Buddhism and become a Buddha by himself?

I met many times with alcoholics  and told them the same if they asked me questions on Buddhism. If you tried and cannot give up, then be an alcoholic who entrusts to Amida. Be an alcoholic or drug addict nembutsu follower.  Be a bad Buddhist who entrusts to Amida.

Jodo Shinshu is the path for sick people, for those without hope. Its the path for alcoholics, drug addicts, and all kind of people with strong attachments. All are equally accepted by the Compassion and Primal Vow of Amida Buddha. So please, come as you are.  Your salvation is in Amida’s hands, not yours.

You can try to cure yourself of any addiction you have, but do NOT postpone taking refuge in Amida Buddha until you become ready, or clean or worthy…  You are saved not because you “deserve”, but because Amida loves you unconditionally.

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Re: I will become a Buddha, just as I am...
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2018, 02:22:32 am »
There is plenty of research that shows the value of addiction therapy using mindfulness, so this is good advice.
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Re: I will become a Buddha, just as I am...
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2018, 01:48:07 am »
There is plenty of research that shows the value of addiction therapy using mindfulness, so this is good advice.

This seems to be more about faith in Amida Buddha as a personal saviour: "You are saved not because you “deserve”, but because Amida loves you unconditionally."

Seems very similar to the "higher power" in AA.
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2018, 03:09:55 am »
Yes. No idea if that ever works, but I've read a lot about Mindfulness-Based Cognitive Behavioral Therapy which does. Personally I wouldn't go anywhere near anyone who claims that salvation is in anyone else's hands but your own. I meant 'this' to apply to that sort of mindfulness therapy, not blind faith, although that may work for certain individuals.
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Re: I will become a Buddha, just as I am...
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2018, 05:44:57 am »

This seems to be more about faith in Amida Buddha as a personal saviour: "You are saved not because you “deserve”, but because Amida loves you unconditionally."

Seems very similar to the "higher power" in AA.

To encourage faith in a  promised personal "saviour " or "higher power" who is in charge of "your salvation" sounds like a form of brain washing to me. It reminds me of the eager evangelical people who knock on doors and hand out leaflets......

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May they abide in great impartiality, free from attachment to loved ones and aversion to others.

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Re: I will become a Buddha, just as I am...
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2018, 09:15:11 pm »
There may be no "salvation" as such. Being saved by another is not to be waited for.

Amida Buddha will save you, so I've read " ... if you say his name just one time, with a pure and believing heart" This is the problem. If your heart is not pure and believing saying his name may take quite a few repetitions.

Maybe the value is in having a practice of the utmost simplicity to focus on. To set about working through the "Visuddhimagga" from cold, amidst the throws of an addiction would be hard indeed, but to trust that simple mindful repetition of Amida's name whilst sparing one's self recrimination and self loathing might, I imagine, be a very good place to start. The repetition of a mantra is of benefit even if only to displace the random chatter, often negative, that the brain churns out.

"Namu Amida Butsu."


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Re: I will become a Buddha, just as I am...
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2018, 02:46:55 am »
The repetition of a mantra is of benefit even if only to displace the random chatter, often negative, that the brain churns out.

Yes, of course, and it's something I've done myself.  But that is rather different to "praying" to an imaginary being.
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Re: I will become a Buddha, just as I am...
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2018, 03:17:58 am »
There is plenty of research that shows the value of addiction therapy using mindfulness, so this is good advice.

This seems to be more about faith in Amida Buddha as a personal saviour: "You are saved not because you “deserve”, but because Amida loves you unconditionally."

Seems very similar to the "higher power" in AA.

It does seem that way.

The similarities between Pure Land sects like Jodo Shinshu, are an awful lot like Christian, and in more ways than one.

Not that I think that's a Bad Thing.  Just sayin'.
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2018, 09:41:49 am »

This seems to be more about faith in Amida Buddha as a personal saviour: "You are saved not because you “deserve”, but because Amida loves you unconditionally."

Seems very similar to the "higher power" in AA.

To encourage faith in a  promised personal "saviour " or "higher power" who is in charge of "your salvation" sounds like a form of brain washing to me. It reminds me of the eager evangelical people who knock on doors and hand out leaflets......

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What makes you say such folks are "brainwashed"?  Who did it to them and how?

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Re: I will become a Buddha, just as I am...
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2018, 01:50:13 pm »
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What makes you say such folks are "brainwashed"?  Who did it to them and how?

I didn't say four weeks ago that  "such folks are brainwashed". What I said was:  "sounds like a form of brain washing to me. It reminds me of the eager evangelical people who knock on doors and hand out leaflets."  There's a subtle difference, Chaz.

Anyway, its the end the day in my part of the world and I need to do some meditation before I go to bed, so I'll say goodnight.


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Re: I will become a Buddha, just as I am...
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2018, 06:42:08 pm »
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What makes you say such folks are "brainwashed"?  Who did it to them and how?

I didn't say four weeks ago that  "such folks are brainwashed". What I said was:  "sounds like a form of brain washing to me. It reminds me of the eager evangelical people who knock on doors and hand out leaflets."  There's a subtle difference, Chaz.

Anyway, its the end the day in my part of the world and I need to do some meditation before I go to bed, so I'll say goodnight.


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Well, if waiting 4 weeks is a problem, I guess I'm sorry.  Sorta.

I've been going though topics since being invited to moderate.  I hope a better knowledge of what's been happening, will help me, and hopefully you.

I saw that post of your's and it struck a chord of sorts.  You see, I was one of those eager evangelicals passing out leaflets.  Hard core.  Left hearth and home, alienated my family. ran off and joined the Jesus People.  Handed out leaflets and shit.

I don't recall anyone I've known from those days who I would call "brainwashed".  Brainwashing includes coercion.  We weren't coeced.  We were expected to toe a doctrinal line, but when I was ready to leave, I just left.

Contrast that with Jonestown where 30 years ago  900 people "drank the kool-aid".  THEY were brainwashed.  That's what brainwashing does.  It doesn't send you out to hand out leaflets.


 


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