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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2013, 04:52:38 am »
Is the Pure Land connected/related to generation of Bodhicitta in the mind?...


Found this in  Access to Insight. 

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/bodhi/arahantsbodhisattvas.html

Apparently "bodhicitta" is a Mahayana concept as is Pureland.  Both have mechanisms for assisting others to reach enlightenment.  Theravadan approach is quite different, using Gotama Buddha's experience as the model.  All of them suggest that a Buddha's, or a Bodhisattvah's assistance can be beneficial in expediting progress towards the goal of unbinding and release.

I see the salvation approach as a matter of choice.  Some want to unbind and release themselves over thousands of life-times (whatever it takes!), others want to get there quickly (wanting enlightenment now!), some of us are operating out of ignorance, the root cause of all dukkha and just don't know what their choices are.

Hope this helps you decide what you want.   Keep in mind that "wanting" is just another form of attachment, and that attachment, according to The Four Noble Truths causes this entire ball of suffering.  Good hunting!   :hug:
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2013, 01:35:42 pm »
Does Buddha, when examined by a doctor, have 36 marks of existence on his body?...

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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2013, 07:55:16 am »
Is the Pure Land connected/related to generation of Bodhicitta in the mind?...


It might depend on the tradition...
In Shinran's Jodo Shinshu teachings (Kyogyoshinsho I believe), he equates "shinjin" (an entrusting heart) with "bodhicitta"... So the moment you are able to totally rest in Other Power, is the moment your heart is awakened to the aspiration for Enlightenment for the sake of all beings.

I'm not sure I would say Pure Lands are completely foreign to Theravada - they're very similar to the Pure Abodes (Akanittha being the highest), which is where anagamis go. The Pure Abodes are the goal of most householders. The current trend in Theravada to look down on any sort of "heaven" is really a relatively modern invention. The Pure Abodes, achieved through cutting the lower fetters, are preached all over the Pali Canon.

I'm not sure I would say bodhicitta is foreign to Theravada either. The Pali canon talks about motivations for Enlightenment. It says that those who would pursue Enlightenment for others, but not for themselves are the lowest capacity. Next, it says that those who would pursue Enlightenment for themselves, but not for others are medium capacity. Finally, it says that those who would pursue Enlightenment for themselves and others are the highest capacity. A similar reference is AN 07.064.

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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2013, 07:59:06 am »
Does Buddha, when examined by a doctor, have 36 marks of existence on his body?...

I believe you're talking about the 32 marks of a great being? Some of them are kind of interesting, like no right elbow, or hands that extend past the knees. I wouldn't get up by physical appearances, those who look for the Tathagata in physical appearances will never find him. The 32 marks are largely metaphorical and can be important teachings in themselves. For example, the round, soft cheeks of the Tathagata are earned by eons practicing Right Speech. What do you think, is it more important to have round, soft cheeks or is it more important to practice Right Speech?

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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2013, 08:21:40 am »
Does Buddha, when examined by a doctor, have 36 marks of existence on his body?...

I believe you're talking about the 32 marks of a great being? Some of them are kind of interesting, like no right elbow, or hands that extend past the knees. I wouldn't get up by physical appearances, those who look for the Tathagata in physical appearances will never find him. The 32 marks are largely metaphorical and can be important teachings in themselves. For example, the round, soft cheeks of the Tathagata are earned by eons practicing Right Speech. What do you think, is it more important to have round, soft cheeks or is it more important to practice Right Speech?


Right speech is one of the things in the Noble 8-fold path of the Dhamma.

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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2013, 08:47:07 am »
Right speech is here -->

Noble 8-fold Path of Dhamma
Right view
Right intention
Right speech
Right Action
Right Livelihood
Right effort
Right mindfulness
Right concentration

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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2013, 09:23:39 am »
Right speech is one of the things in the Noble 8-fold path of the Dhamma.


That question was rather rhetorical. Of course having Right Speech is more important than having soft, round cheeks. The rest of the 32 marks of a great being are similar.

Going back to bodhicitta, a number of Pure Land sutras do implore the reader to cultivate bodhicitta - off the top of my head, the Larger Sukhavati Sutra (The Infinite Life Sutra) explicitly states this.

From your questions, I think you should really do some reading to understand Pure Land doctrine & practice before asking a ton of questions. I only mention this because your posts don't seem to reflect research into any of the responses you've been given thus far, which gives the sense of insincerity in your posts.

I highly recommend picking up Rulu's "Thinking of Amitabha Buddha" (a collection of Pure Land Sutras & Commentary) or at the very least BDK's "Three Pure Land Sutras" so you can get an idea of the scriptural foundation for Pure Land. After that, I'd recommend a solid commentary or book of doctrine from whatever school you're interested. Typically Thich Thien Tam's "Buddhism of Wisdom and Faith" is a good starting point for covering the wide breadth of doctrine of the various Pure Land schools. If you're interested in Honen's Jodo Shu, then pick up Honen's "Senchakushu", if interested in Shin, then pick up Shinran's "Kyogyoshinsho", if interested in Chinese Pure Land this website's a good starting point: http://www.ymba.org/free-books

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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2013, 12:42:40 pm »
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From your questions, I think you should really do some reading to understand Pure Land doctrine & practice before asking a ton of questions. I only mention this because your posts don't seem to reflect research into any of the responses you've been given thus far, which gives the sense of insincerity in your posts.


It may seem that way due to the nature of message board and posting habits. Why don't we take it off the message board and apply a physical hands-on approach to studying a Sutra? ... If I want to do research, read the Pali canon, or look up a Sutra. I would rather do it manually at a library. The initial questions are just a mode of approach toward generating responses and feedback. Other wise, they are just words on a screen jumbled together as thoughts.
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2013, 06:48:55 am »
We did a verse-by-verse walk through of the Amitabha sutra over on Dharma Wheel.
Maybe when things settle down a bit for me, I'll do the Larger Sukhavati, Contemplation, & Pratyutpanna Samadhi Sutras...

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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2013, 08:12:51 pm »
We did a verse-by-verse walk through of the Amitabha sutra over on Dharma Wheel.
Maybe when things settle down a bit for me, I'll do the Larger Sukhavati, Contemplation, & Pratyutpanna Samadhi Sutras...


I was banned from Dharmawheel over 3 years ago.

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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2013, 09:17:31 am »
I was banned from Dharmawheel over 3 years ago.

Yikes!  :eek: Wonder why. Think about asking to see if you've served your time?

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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2013, 02:07:57 pm »
I was banned from Dharmawheel over 3 years ago.

Yikes!  :eek: Wonder why. Think about asking to see if you've served your time?

Well, they never said why ... I now do the practice without the forums. (Zen meditation) ...

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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2013, 03:37:41 pm »
Wesley, maybe it seems to you that more time has passed, but you were still posting at Dharma Wheel in August of 2012.

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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2013, 05:13:26 pm »
Seems like a lot more time has passed since then.

 


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