Author Topic: New around here  (Read 655 times)

Offline VisuddhiRaptor

  • Member
  • Posts: 379
    • View Profile
Re: New around here
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2017, 07:22:22 pm »
consciousness ... awareness ....

Searching in the wrong place.

When the mind is free from *THINKING* it discerns consciousness/awareness is nothing much; that is; consciousness is merely like a mirror on a bathroom wall.

What **BEGUILES** the mind is *THOUGHT*. Thought 'becoming' ('bhava') or 'selfing' is the mystery to be solved, in Buddhism.

 :curtain:

Offline ground

  • Member
  • Posts: 2123
    • View Profile
Re: New around here
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2017, 01:39:31 am »
ground, thanks for the smile... There is no way you can know this, but about the last way anyone would describe me is "new age". My musing about consciousness stem more from my understanding of quantum mechanics (admittedly a lay person's understanding) and the mystery (to me) that is self awareness. One could argue that the cosmos could, in fact should, exists exactly as it is except that we should be automatons; no more aware of ourselves and our surrounds than is any machine. The overwhelming majority of the physics of the cosmos happens without any self awareness, at least that we can observe. Yet, somehow, complex life forms display that rather astounding quality.

So it seems possible, even likely, that the foundations of consciousness lie somewhere deep in the workings of the universe, that we enjoy that emergent property as a function of layer upon layer of complexity. And, to me, it is a complexity of energy rather than matter as it it entirely proper to see every interaction in the cosmos as a play of energy fields, and equally accurate to describe matter as condensed energy.

This is the universe as we have discovered it to be and yet; as J.B.S Haldane states in one of my favorite quotes:

"I have no doubt that in reality the future will be vastly more surprising than anything I can imagine. Now my own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose."


Quote
The Blessed One said, "What is the All? Simply the eye & forms, ear & sounds, nose & aromas, tongue & flavors, body & tactile sensations, intellect & ideas. This, monks, is called the All. [1] Anyone who would say, 'Repudiating this All, I will describe another,' if questioned on what exactly might be the grounds for his statement, would be unable to explain, and furthermore, would be put to grief. Why? Because it lies beyond range."
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn35/sn35.023.than.html

Offline tj

  • Member
  • Posts: 8
    • View Profile
Re: New around here
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2017, 04:40:34 am »
Even though I understand that understanding might be beyond our ability, I still can't help but think the effort to try and understand is worth it. Otherwise we do nothing but fight, cluck, eat, and die...fun sometimes, but in the end it seems an enormous waste of effort for a little bit of fun.

Offline Solodris

  • Member
  • Posts: 349
    • View Profile
Re: New around here
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2017, 06:13:52 am »
Illumination is the central key concept in Buddhism, as such, understanding electro-magnetism; light, as a source of communication between the brain-cells. One can too understand the central concept and origin of consciousness as the source of the illumination. Extensions of Sol, as it would be called, then one truly perceives emptiness as it truly is, one thus permeates: Maya.

Offline Solodris

  • Member
  • Posts: 349
    • View Profile
Re: New around here
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2017, 06:32:47 am »
When did the Thai Buddhist chef realize he was enlightened? When he discovered the recipe for Amrita + Tofu = Amitofu.

Offline The Artis Magistra

  • Member
  • Posts: 455
    • View Profile
Re: New around here
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2017, 10:45:41 pm »
Much thanks to all for the friendly and thoughtful replies. It seems to me that the idea of reincarnation is a kind of cosmic consciousness, how else could it be described? My "cosmic consciousness" is a thought the seeps across from my overall view of a universe of "deep time" (13.8 billion years), and deep space (some 46 billion light years across - more - infinite). Since quantum mechanics suggests that, in ways that might always be beyond our ability to understand, all of the universe is a single, evolving event, where every particle "knows" every other particle, (including the particles that currently make up our brains); that consciousness itself is more than a emergent property, having its foundations in the most fundamental energy exchanges everywhere in the cosmos.

And yet, (my) experience of life doesn't seem to reflect that kind of reality. Mostly "I" seem to be a bauble, an utterly inconsequential bit of flotsum that exists for minute spark of time.
Seems you're into New Age fantasies more than into buddhism.  :teehee:

Is Buddhism about being unfriendly towards people and laughing at what they say mockingly? I think maybe that is what Buddhism is all about, which is why it was often so popular with people, because yeah, who doesn't like laughing at other people and mocking their beliefs and disregarding everything they say and all utility, why not just poop on their efforts and spit at them like a camel? Sounds like a plan? Sounds like Buddhism, yeah?

Offline Solodris

  • Member
  • Posts: 349
    • View Profile
Re: New around here
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2017, 11:52:17 am »
Much thanks to all for the friendly and thoughtful replies. It seems to me that the idea of reincarnation is a kind of cosmic consciousness, how else could it be described? My "cosmic consciousness" is a thought the seeps across from my overall view of a universe of "deep time" (13.8 billion years), and deep space (some 46 billion light years across - more - infinite). Since quantum mechanics suggests that, in ways that might always be beyond our ability to understand, all of the universe is a single, evolving event, where every particle "knows" every other particle, (including the particles that currently make up our brains); that consciousness itself is more than a emergent property, having its foundations in the most fundamental energy exchanges everywhere in the cosmos.

And yet, (my) experience of life doesn't seem to reflect that kind of reality. Mostly "I" seem to be a bauble, an utterly inconsequential bit of flotsum that exists for minute spark of time.
Seems you're into New Age fantasies more than into buddhism.  :teehee:

Is Buddhism about being unfriendly towards people and laughing at what they say mockingly? I think maybe that is what Buddhism is all about, which is why it was often so popular with people, because yeah, who doesn't like laughing at other people and mocking their beliefs and disregarding everything they say and all utility, why not just poop on their efforts and spit at them like a camel? Sounds like a plan? Sounds like Buddhism, yeah?

When life seems jolly rotten, there's something you've might forgotten.

Always look on the light side of life. *whistles*

Offline ground

  • Member
  • Posts: 2123
    • View Profile
Re: New around here
« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2017, 08:13:14 pm »
When life seems jolly rotten, there's something you've might forgotten.

Always look on the light side of life. *whistles*

 :teehee:

Offline The Artis Magistra

  • Member
  • Posts: 455
    • View Profile
Re: New around here
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2017, 09:22:51 pm »
There would be no acknowledgment of suffering or what causes suffering if people ignored everything or just looked at the light side or whatever. It is important to say what doesn't seem right so that people may have an offer to adjust.

Offline Solodris

  • Member
  • Posts: 349
    • View Profile
Re: New around here
« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2017, 08:44:48 am »
When life seems jolly rotten, there's something you've might forgotten.

Always look on the light side of life. *whistles*

 :teehee:

High affective mood addiction?

Offline ground

  • Member
  • Posts: 2123
    • View Profile
Re: New around here
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2017, 01:27:50 pm »
When life seems jolly rotten, there's something you've might forgotten.

Always look on the light side of life. *whistles*

 :teehee:

High affective mood addiction?

Mood adddiction? Are you addicted to moods that come and go ?

Offline VisuddhiRaptor

  • Member
  • Posts: 379
    • View Profile
Re: New around here
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2017, 02:00:59 am »
When life seems jolly rotten, there's something you've might forgotten.

Always look on the light side of life. *whistles*

 :rndr: :wave: :clown:

Offline The Artis Magistra

  • Member
  • Posts: 455
    • View Profile
Re: New around here
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2017, 10:24:32 pm »
Welcome to all new-comers, please don't be intimidated by some of the posters here and their ways of dealing with people or mine, feel free to ask any of these knowledgeable people or even me anything you might be interested in regarding Buddhism, and we'll each hopefully discuss what we think is best with you.

Offline tj

  • Member
  • Posts: 8
    • View Profile
Re: New around here
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2017, 02:37:59 pm »
Thanks, I'm not easily intimidated. In fact, I'm much more likely to get bored. I have been surfing though other threads and am enjoying myself. I may or may not speak up too often. This is, after all, a forum for Buddhist and I am a guest. I'm here mostly to learn what Buddhist think about things by listening to Buddhists.

Offline The Artis Magistra

  • Member
  • Posts: 455
    • View Profile
Re: New around here
« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2017, 03:39:13 pm »
Thanks, I'm not easily intimidated. In fact, I'm much more likely to get bored. I have been surfing though other threads and am enjoying myself. I may or may not speak up too often. This is, after all, a forum for Buddhist and I am a guest. I'm here mostly to learn what Buddhist think about things by listening to Buddhists.

What seems to interest you the most and what tends to bore you the quickest?

As you might have noticed, there are many people on this and other websites who each might imply or be assumed to be Buddhist but seem to have different approaches and ideas and techniques and behaviors. There are also a great many sects and divisions and groups within Buddhism as there are in other religions.

For me, Buddhism is about ethics, believes in consequences for actions which are moralistic in nature and can be superstitious seeming, believes in what might be called "supernatural assistance" and many other things. This form of Buddhism was generally the standard or most frequent emergence of Buddhism in the world. On the English-Speaking internet, Buddhism has been largely hijacked by radical militant atheist colonizers who are trying to cut out of Buddhism absolutely all things they find silly or superstitious, such as the traditional ideas of hell states, paradise states, rewards, supernatural assistance, and whatever else was traditional and common among those who were and are academically known as Buddhists.

The old sort of Buddhism is not really talked about too much on these kinds of forums because the loudest voices are often the most belligerent kinds, the same goes for the Muslims, Christians, and whatever else, fundamentalists of some sort always tend to emerge to shame and condemn whoever they are able in order to make their religions as boring or dull as possible.

Islam, Christianity, Taoism, Judaism, all have vibrant traditions, very cool mystical and esoteric traditions, but the guard dogs of each religion bark things that would send anyone running headlong.

Buddhism was and is a religion focused heavily on ethics and medicating society. Buddhism had ideas of good deeds and bad deeds, punishments or consequences for such, a Universal sort of justice, and the importance of cultivating nobility and reducing damage to oneself and everything possible.

There are two main categories of Buddhism, Theravada and Mahayana. The Mahayana is the most populous and goes into esoteric or mystical branches more so, and the Theravada are the ones that radical Western Atheists tend to gravitate towards most probably since they have a distaste for the things that seem too weird or hokey or whatever or admitting that Buddhism can be or has been rather weird, they might call such "Not Buddhism". Were they to have their way, all color and life and vibrancy would be sucked out of all Buddhist traditions so that we're left with their utterly boring and uninspired account of total Bore-ism.


 


SimplePortal 2.3.3 © 2008-2010, SimplePortal