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How To find inner peace?
« on: October 14, 2017, 01:09:46 am »
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Re: How To find inner peace?
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2017, 02:45:52 pm »
Peace is a precious commodity. I have done a lot of living; paid a lot of dues in life. Struggled to overcome many stumbling blocks; and some still remain, and are a constant challenge. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, bad things do happen to good people. I believe it's all about having faith, regardless of the beatings you take. I do know, there is much more good in the world, than bad. I ( personally ) believe, the root of all human misery is "greed", in some way, shape, or form. I attempt, and it's a hard road, to be a minimalist as best I can. I am always searching for peace.

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Re: How To find inner peace?
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2017, 05:48:38 am »
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Peace is a precious commodity. I have done a lot of living; paid a lot of dues in life. Struggled to overcome many stumbling blocks; and some still remain, and are a constant challenge. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, bad things do happen to good people. I believe it's all about having faith, regardless of the beatings you take. I do know, there is much more good in the world, than bad. I ( personally ) believe, the root of all human misery is "greed", in some way, shape, or form. I attempt, and it's a hard road, to be a minimalist as best I can. I am always searching for peace.


Greed, its a type of want, also referred to as craving and it's the root of a whole lot of suffering according to what I have learned from others far more qualified to write about the subject than I.

"Thus fabrications have ignorance as their prerequisite,
consciousness has fabrications as its prerequisite,
name-and-form has consciousness as its prerequisite,
the six sense media have name-and-form as their prerequisite,
contact has the six sense media as its prerequisite,
feeling has contact as its prerequisite,
craving has feeling as its prerequisite,
clinging has craving as its prerequisite,
becoming has clinging as its prerequisite,
birth has becoming as its prerequisite,
stress and suffering have birth as their prerequisite,
conviction has stress and suffering as its prerequisite,
joy has conviction as its prerequisite,
rapture has joy as its prerequisite,
serenity has rapture as its prerequisite,
pleasure has serenity as its prerequisite,
concentration has pleasure as its prerequisite,
knowledge and vision of things as they actually are present has concentration as its prerequisite,
disenchantment has knowledge and vision of things as they actually are present as its prerequisite,
dispassion has disenchantment as its prerequisite,
release has dispassion as its prerequisite,
knowledge of ending has release as its prerequisite."

http://buddhasutra.com/files/upanisa_sutta.htm

Understanding what gives rise to our condition through proper discernment does a lot for understanding how to seek and what we are seeking.

Welcome! to you both :) I wish you the very best!   

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Re: How To find inner peace?
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2017, 09:44:27 am »
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Peace is a precious commodity. I have done a lot of living; paid a lot of dues in life. Struggled to overcome many stumbling blocks; and some still remain, and are a constant challenge. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, bad things do happen to good people. I believe it's all about having faith, regardless of the beatings you take. I do know, there is much more good in the world, than bad. I ( personally ) believe, the root of all human misery is "greed", in some way, shape, or form. I attempt, and it's a hard road, to be a minimalist as best I can. I am always searching for peace.


Greed, its a type of want, also referred to as craving and it's the root of a whole lot of suffering according to what I have learned from others far more qualified to write about the subject than I.

"Thus fabrications have ignorance as their prerequisite,
consciousness has fabrications as its prerequisite,
name-and-form has consciousness as its prerequisite,
the six sense media have name-and-form as their prerequisite,
contact has the six sense media as its prerequisite,
feeling has contact as its prerequisite,
craving has feeling as its prerequisite,
clinging has craving as its prerequisite,
becoming has clinging as its prerequisite,
birth has becoming as its prerequisite,
stress and suffering have birth as their prerequisite,
conviction has stress and suffering as its prerequisite,
joy has conviction as its prerequisite,
rapture has joy as its prerequisite,
serenity has rapture as its prerequisite,
pleasure has serenity as its prerequisite,
concentration has pleasure as its prerequisite,
knowledge and vision of things as they actually are present has concentration as its prerequisite,
disenchantment has knowledge and vision of things as they actually are present as its prerequisite,
dispassion has disenchantment as its prerequisite,
release has dispassion as its prerequisite,
knowledge of ending has release as its prerequisite."

http://buddhasutra.com/files/upanisa_sutta.htm

Understanding what gives rise to our condition through proper discernment does a lot for understanding how to seek and what we are seeking.

Welcome! to you both :) I wish you the very best!
The problem with some people is: Enough is never enough.

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Re: How To find inner peace?
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2017, 09:57:26 am »
I made a promise to myself. if ever I come into a staggering amount of money, the bulk of it will go to St. Jude's & Shriner's  Children's Hospitals. I do try to donate when I can; but it would be rewarding to be able to donate much more. I have done a lot of living; and throughout my life, I have had ( as an ordinary working man ), money in excess, and I have counted change to get by; and either way, I am still me.

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Re: How To find inner peace?
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2017, 10:28:34 am »
Double post sorry
« Last Edit: October 17, 2017, 10:32:18 am by Anemephistus »

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Re: How To find inner peace?
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2017, 10:31:32 am »

I have been deeply moved in my life by the book : The Heart of the Buddhas Teaching by Thich Nhat Hanh. It started me on a path in plain language that gave me a much needed answer to the subject line of this post. I found it simple to read, but it took a year anyway because I had a lot to apply upon grasping each concept it offered. The application was what was important, just knowing the information would have done no good for me.

https://www.amazon.com/Heart-Buddhas-Teaching-Transforming-Liberation/dp/0767903692

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The problem with some people is: Enough is never enough


The problem with all people is enough is never really enough once on that path. That's craving and desire. We always want more. The culture of many areas does little to dissuade the notion that this craving can be fulfilled and that success is based on how well we indulge in it.

 It takes many blows of the hammer to forge the tools that release that condition. When seeking peace it is most important in my opinion to recognize what we have that is peaceful, usually by losing bad notions about what we perceive as not peaceful,  and to see the condition of others and see how they suffer as we do. I suffer too, you are suffering, many many countless people suffer, often from arisen circumstances that they have little direct control over. This is not bad news, nor is it good, but it means that we are never alone in how we feel, and it means that other wiser people have sought solutions for the conditions that give rise to this. I know that those tools and solutions are not wide spread in some places, but never the less they are available.

To the OP:

The suttas are an amazing source of understanding but less forward in my opinion that the transmission of the insight gained from them as given by a monk or good teacher. I found them much easier to follow with the little insight I gained from reading and I found that my ability to derive understanding from them was such that I was able to muddle through grasping some of what they have to offer. I am not very wise, or gifted, and I too have had some knocks and still face difficulties I have many things. I am attached to lots of stuff and am by no means inventive in the regard of understanding, but I am so much happier and my inner peace has been enhanced in a way that I cannot express justly by these things.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/index-sutta.html

http://redzambala.com/buddhism/sutras/buddhist-sutras-index-of-category.html

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I made a promise to myself. if ever I come into a staggering amount of money, the bulk of it will go to St. Jude's & Shriner's  Children's Hospitals.


It is good to give. I try as well and work also and always have I have a hard job. I have changed a lot over the years, in no small part to the above mentioned, in fact I might go as far as to say I changed in most of the ways that I have because of the above things. It been really positive for me. I hope you come into a staggering amount of money :) the hospitals can always use the help.

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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2017, 09:35:09 am »

I have been deeply moved in my life by the book : The Heart of the Buddhas Teaching by Thich Nhat Hanh. It started me on a path in plain language that gave me a much needed answer to the subject line of this post. I found it simple to read, but it took a year anyway because I had a lot to apply upon grasping each concept it offered. The application was what was important, just knowing the information would have done no good for me.

https://www.amazon.com/Heart-Buddhas-Teaching-Transforming-Liberation/dp/0767903692

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The problem with some people is: Enough is never enough


The problem with all people is enough is never really enough once on that path. That's craving and desire. We always want more. The culture of many areas does little to dissuade the notion that this craving can be fulfilled and that success is based on how well we indulge in it.

 It takes many blows of the hammer to forge the tools that release that condition. When seeking peace it is most important in my opinion to recognize what we have that is peaceful, usually by losing bad notions about what we perceive as not peaceful,  and to see the condition of others and see how they suffer as we do. I suffer too, you are suffering, many many countless people suffer, often from arisen circumstances that they have little direct control over. This is not bad news, nor is it good, but it means that we are never alone in how we feel, and it means that other wiser people have sought solutions for the conditions that give rise to this. I know that those tools and solutions are not wide spread in some places, but never the less they are available.

To the OP:

The suttas are an amazing source of understanding but less forward in my opinion that the transmission of the insight gained from them as given by a monk or good teacher. I found them much easier to follow with the little insight I gained from reading and I found that my ability to derive understanding from them was such that I was able to muddle through grasping some of what they have to offer. I am not very wise, or gifted, and I too have had some knocks and still face difficulties I have many things. I am attached to lots of stuff and am by no means inventive in the regard of understanding, but I am so much happier and my inner peace has been enhanced in a way that I cannot express justly by these things.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/index-sutta.html

http://redzambala.com/buddhism/sutras/buddhist-sutras-index-of-category.html

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I made a promise to myself. if ever I come into a staggering amount of money, the bulk of it will go to St. Jude's & Shriner's  Children's Hospitals.


It is good to give. I try as well and work also and always have I have a hard job. I have changed a lot over the years, in no small part to the above mentioned, in fact I might go as far as to say I changed in most of the ways that I have because of the above things. It been really positive for me. I hope you come into a staggering amount of money :) the hospitals can always use the help.
I figure, and this is a bit of a stretch; if you're an adult, you have probably done something in your life that you deserve suffering for; but I do not believe an innocent child deserves suffering. I know, and have always known, life is not fair; but it's difficult to explain that to a child.

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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2017, 10:15:42 am »
... if you're an adult, you have probably done something in your life that you deserve suffering for;...
Nobody deserves ignorance.  :fu:

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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2017, 09:51:57 am »
... if you're an adult, you have probably done something in your life that you deserve suffering for;...
Nobody deserves ignorance.  :fu:
Old adage: "If you think education is expensive, check the price of ignorance".

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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2017, 03:12:46 pm »
... if you're an adult, you have probably done something in your life that you deserve suffering for;...
Nobody deserves ignorance.  :fu:
Old adage: "If you think education is expensive, check the price of ignorance".

I like that :)

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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2017, 07:13:23 am »
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jim south:  I ( personally ) believe, the root of all human misery is "greed", in some way, shape, or form. I attempt, and it's a hard road, to be a minimalist as best I can. I am always searching for peace.

Hi, Jim.

My personal experience has been that Buddha was correct in that he described the root of all suffering as "ignorance".

For me it has been ignorance of the vast harm caused by the "delusion of self". 

Defensiveness imagining that there is a self to which any offence can be done.

Defensiveness imagining that there is a self which can be assaulted or maligned.

Defensiveness due to an imagination that the self is eternal and must some how cling to life as long as is possible....to the last bloody end.

The fear of death as a loss of life of the self.

Anger which arises due to any imagined harm or even threat of harm (psychological or physical) to the self.

Willingness to take retribution in the form of verbal, or physical violence to protect from any harm to the self.

It has been my experience that when the mind is in a state of anger or fear that it is capable of directing the body to cause great and often very violent harm, such as what we have seen in the cases of war.

I am sure that there are many ways, war not being the least, which resulted in massive suffering of humanity due to the fear of harm generating harmful, violent acts perpetrated for the sake of "self preservation".

Psychological studies have shown this to be true. It is even more frightening that this is so easy for us ordinary humans to perform harmful actions or inaction in the name of self defense.   Example,  the simple act of providing different colored tee shirts to members of competitive sports teams has shown this effect upon the human psyche', making it easy for sports coaches to whip up feelings of anger and violence against the other team.  Even more so with the words of military leaders against those perceived to be "the enemy" and therefore "not self", or members of the home forces, the good guys vs. the bad guys.

WARNING:  Beware "ignorance" of the delusion of self. :r4wheel:
« Last Edit: October 22, 2017, 01:21:40 pm by Ron-the-Elder »
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Re: How To find inner peace?
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2017, 04:31:08 am »
Hi there

Focus on stillness rather than movement.

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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2017, 12:16:50 pm »
I was walking past a Buddhist centre recently and I saw a sign on the window that made me laugh a little.

It said "Learn meditation here and find inner peace". But I wondered to myself what exactly is "inner peace"? Is it different from some kind of "outer" or external peace? But if in reality things are just things and there is no separation between "this" and "that", or "me" and "you" (with that division just being a construct of the mind) then surely talking of an "inner" peace is dualistic, ie "This is my peace and out there is something else which is either not peaceful, nor a part of me".

So surely the sign on the window should have just said "Learn meditation here and find peace". But wait, can we really ever "find" peace? Is it something separate that we've lost, kind of in the same way we can find our car keys when we've distractedly put them down somewhere and can't remember where. If our Buddha nature is peace and we inherently have it then was this peace ever really lost in the first place? Maybe peace is right there in front of our eyes here right all along and we just need to realise that we don't need to look for it externally or innerly if that's even a word

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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2017, 01:28:41 am »
So surely the sign on the window should have just said "Learn meditation here and find peace". But wait, can we really ever "find" peace? Is it something separate that we've lost, kind of in the same way we can find our car keys when we've distractedly put them down somewhere and can't remember where. If our Buddha nature is peace and we inherently have it then was this peace ever really lost in the first place? Maybe peace is right there in front of our eyes here right all along and we just need to realise that we don't need to look for it externally or innerly if that's even a word


You could say that the mind is naturally peaceful.  A couple of quotes, the first from Ajahn Chah, the second from Sogyal Rinpoche:

"Training this mind... actually there's nothing much to this mind. It's simply radiant in and of itself. It's naturally peaceful. Why the mind doesn't feel peaceful right now is because it gets lost in its own moods. There's nothing to mind itself. It simply abides in its natural state, that's all. That sometimes the mind feels peaceful and other times not peaceful is because it has been tricked by these moods..."
http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Training_this_Mind1.php

"Thoughts are like clouds. Even though the clouds sometimes seem to cover the entire sky, if you take a plane you can go beyond them into a vast space that is never even touched by the clouds. The clouds of our ordinary thoughts are just temporary and changing, whilst the deeper nature of our mind is unchanging, like the infinite space of the sky."
http://sogyalrinpoche.org/videos/finding-your-balance-with-the-sky-like-nature-of-mind
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