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Re: Samana Johann (Hanzze)
« Reply #45 on: June 21, 2017, 11:07:57 pm »
So Ground said: views depend on 'right' and 'wrong' and then, we will never "agree" on a meaning in a certain context. ("Meaning" here, in a sense of right and wrong, in a sense of right view, in a sense leading to liberation)

We wouldn't even agree on the meaning of the word 'liberation' here.

Is not possible that "we" agree, thatks the fundation of your argument and the reason you have been asked.

Correct me if Atma is wrong: does Ground seriously believe that non-action, not taking a view, is what the Buddha taught, is what leads actionless to liberation?

What is your understanding of 'seriously believe'? If it is 'holding it as independently true' then I do not seriously believe anything.

So Ground thinks, that there is no meaning in the path?

Maybe a usefull read: The meaning of the Dhamma

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Over the centuries, people have been struck by the radical nature of these contemplations, and many have come to the conclusion that the Buddha was a thoroughgoing anti-substantialist or anti-essentialist: someone who denies that there's any substance or essence to anything at all. From this conclusion comes a further conclusion: that the Buddha's Dhamma, or teaching, is also devoid of essence. Aside from the core principle that nothing has any essence, this view holds, there is no unchanging substance or essence to define what's Dhamma and what's not.


And if ground remembers, was that, why he years ago, approached Atma, and its a matter of gratitude to remind him here. He forgives, but he does not forget.

Tell Atma, if Ground could agree, being elaborated with more pleasant words.

And then again, tell if it is possible for one having penetrated the All, dwelling in Emptiness, still being bound to houselive, able to live on?
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Re: Samana Johann (Hanzze)
« Reply #46 on: June 21, 2017, 11:15:28 pm »
So Ground said: views depend on 'right' and 'wrong' and then, we will never "agree" on a meaning in a certain context. ("Meaning" here, in a sense of right and wrong, in a sense of right view, in a sense leading to liberation)
We wouldn't even agree on the meaning of the word 'liberation' here.

Correct me if Atma is wrong: does Ground seriously believe that non-action, not taking a view, is what the Buddha taught, is what leads actionless to liberation?
What is your understanding of 'seriously believe'? If it is 'holding it as independently true' then I do not seriously believe anything.

If the meaning of liberation is inconclusive by not being able to hold it as independently true, then not seriously believing anything is surely individual liberation as an independent truth.

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« Reply #47 on: June 21, 2017, 11:16:25 pm »
So Ground thinks, that there is no meaning in the path?
Read my words again and do not replace them by your own words.

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Re: Samana Johann (Hanzze)
« Reply #48 on: June 21, 2017, 11:19:41 pm »
So Ground thinks, that there is no meaning in the path?
Read my words again and do not replace them by your own words.
So while saying, word have no meanig, holding on the own. Maybe read to answer/question obove again, since modified and try to take its Essence.
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Re: Samana Johann (Hanzze)
« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2017, 11:20:14 pm »
So Ground said: views depend on 'right' and 'wrong' and then, we will never "agree" on a meaning in a certain context. ("Meaning" here, in a sense of right and wrong, in a sense of right view, in a sense leading to liberation)
We wouldn't even agree on the meaning of the word 'liberation' here.

Correct me if Atma is wrong: does Ground seriously believe that non-action, not taking a view, is what the Buddha taught, is what leads actionless to liberation?
What is your understanding of 'seriously believe'? If it is 'holding it as independently true' then I do not seriously believe anything.

If the meaning of liberation is inconclusive by not being able to hold it as independently true, then not seriously believing anything is surely individual liberation as an independent truth.
I wouldn't seriously believe that.

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Re: Samana Johann (Hanzze)
« Reply #50 on: June 21, 2017, 11:23:40 pm »
So Ground thinks, that there is no meaning in the path?
Read my words again and do not replace them by your own words.
So while saying, word have no meanig, holding on the own. Maybe read to answer/question obove again, since modified and try to take its Essence.
Words have no inherent meaning but words do evoke meaning. This meaning can be held as independently true or not held as independently true.

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Re: Samana Johann (Hanzze)
« Reply #51 on: June 21, 2017, 11:26:41 pm »
So Ground said: views depend on 'right' and 'wrong' and then, we will never "agree" on a meaning in a certain context. ("Meaning" here, in a sense of right and wrong, in a sense of right view, in a sense leading to liberation)
We wouldn't even agree on the meaning of the word 'liberation' here.

Correct me if Atma is wrong: does Ground seriously believe that non-action, not taking a view, is what the Buddha taught, is what leads actionless to liberation?
What is your understanding of 'seriously believe'? If it is 'holding it as independently true' then I do not seriously believe anything.

If the meaning of liberation is inconclusive by not being able to hold it as independently true, then not seriously believing anything is surely individual liberation as an independent truth.
I wouldn't seriously believe that.
Seems like Ground has found his desired partners in building and playing with sand- castle again. Mudita. So you got unioned and Atma can leave, having left behind what he was obligated to.

So Ground thinks, that there is no meaning in the path?
Read my words again and do not replace them by your own words.
So while saying, word have no meanig, holding on the own. Maybe read to answer/question obove again, since modified and try to take its Essence.
Words have no inherent meaning but words do evoke meaning.
Sure? For whom and to what content?

Do well, food ground has plenty here.
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Re: Samana Johann (Hanzze)
« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2017, 11:31:16 pm »

So Ground thinks, that there is no meaning in the path?
Read my words again and do not replace them by your own words.
So while saying, word have no meanig, holding on the own. Maybe read to answer/question obove again, since modified and try to take its Essence.
Words have no inherent meaning but words do evoke meaning.
Sure? For whom and to what content?
Sure. For whoever sees that words do not have inherent meaning but do evoke meaning. And this evoked meaning can be held as independently true or not held as independently true.

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Re: Samana Johann (Hanzze)
« Reply #53 on: June 21, 2017, 11:51:45 pm »

So Ground thinks, that there is no meaning in the path?

Read my words again and do not replace them by your own words.

So while saying, word have no meanig, holding on the own. Maybe read to answer/question obove again, since modified and try to take its Essence.

Words have no inherent meaning but words do evoke meaning.

Sure? For whom and to what content?

Sure. For whoever sees that words do not have inherent meaning but do evoke meaning. And this evoked meaning can be held as independently true or not held as independently true.

As long as there is someone seeing, he/she will always just pick out the food he/she likes. Running away from being questioned, does not like that food which could evoke essence.

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Originating from craving

“Bhikkhus, I will tell nine things originating from craving, listen attentively. Bhikkhus, what are the nine things originating from craving?
On account of craving there is a search. On account of a search there is gain. On account of gain there is discrimination. On account of discrimination there is interest and greed. On account of interest and greed there is attachment. On account of attachment there is seizing. On account of seizing there is selfishness. On account of selfishness a protection is sought. Seeking protection stick and weapon is taken and with quarrels, disputes, exchange of words, slandering, telling lies, various demeritorious things arise. Bhikkhus, these nine things originate from craving.


If getting lust after food and feeding for the end of seaching after food, and if understanding that simply dwelling on past merits will maybe already have cost enought to be able to left house, Ground known where to find a place and now enjoy your reunion here.
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Re: Samana Johann (Hanzze)
« Reply #54 on: June 22, 2017, 12:01:52 am »
As long as there is someone seeing, he/she will always just pick out the food he/she likes. Running away from being questioned, does not like that food which could evoke essence.
Since words have no inherent meaning you should take the effort to express your questions as clearly as possible. If you do not take this effort I take this as a sign that you are actually not interested in getting an answer from me.
If you express your questions clearly I will give you an answer, if not then those that evoke a consistent meaning in my mind will be answered but those that do not evoke a consistent meaning in my mind will not be answered. However even if some of your questions that you have not expressed clearly may evoke a consistent meaning in my mind the answer I will be giving may not address what you actually had in mind when asking.
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Re: Samana Johann (Hanzze)
« Reply #55 on: June 22, 2017, 02:03:49 am »
As long as there is someone seeing, he/she will always just pick out the food he/she likes. Running away from being questioned, does not like that food which could evoke essence.
Since words have no inherent meaning you should take the effort to express your questions as clearly as possible. If you do not take this effort I take this as a sign that you are actually not interested in getting an answer from me.
If you express your questions clearly I will give you an answer, if not then those that evoke a consistent meaning in my mind will be answered but those that do not evoke a consistent meaning in my mind will not be answered. However even if some of your questions that you have not expressed clearly may evoke a consistent meaning in my mind the answer I will be giving may not address what you actually had in mind when asking.

Renunciation is revoking consistency, this might be a reminder of impermanence.

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Re: Samana Johann (Hanzze)
« Reply #56 on: July 05, 2017, 05:12:05 pm »
Time to walk on.

Nyom Wonky Badger, as giver and substainer of this place.

Sadhu for your good deeds and may you increase them.

Buddhabodhisattas,

may you all here find the way to real happiness for your self with ease.
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« Reply #57 on: July 05, 2017, 08:35:21 pm »
Farewell!

 


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