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Dear all,

It is rare that I come across someone in Kagyu circles who practices meditation using the breath, of course, if you have such a wide range of objects as Vajrayana it seems like a rather mundane object. However, I personally feel that in order to further acquaint myself with the Hinayana level and the core Buddhist teachings I should really start with something basic, such as the breath. Why I am not asking my lama this, you may ask, but I do not currently have access to him. Is it considered less useful in the Vajrayana to start with the breath, and that is why it is not common? Or is it just as good an object as any other?

I appreciate any feedback you have to offer,
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Ben Yuan

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Re: Using the breath for shinay and lhatong/shamata and vipashyana
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2010, 04:24:33 pm »
Dear friend i dont know much about Kagyu practise but i would assume it would not be much more different in regards to when practising the Lamrim, Breathing meditation is always encouraged to settle the mind before deeper subjects are considered.  :pray:
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Re: Using the breath for shinay and lhatong/shamata and vipashyana
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2010, 04:28:42 pm »
Thank you for the reply Caz. How about using the breath as a primary tool for progressing along the path? I have heard that one who can visualize a full Buddha in 3D with every detail in the Thangka is already meditating in the 4th Dhyana. Taking this into account, and in terms of your own experience, is the breath just a slow method?

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Re: Using the breath for shinay and lhatong/shamata and vipashyana
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2010, 04:53:01 pm »
Thank you for the reply Caz. How about using the breath as a primary tool for progressing along the path? I have heard that one who can visualize a full Buddha in 3D with every detail in the Thangka is already meditating in the 4th Dhyana. Taking this into account, and in terms of your own experience, is the breath just a slow method?

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Ben Yuan

Meditating upon the breath is a basic method of increasing concentration and passing through the Jhana's, ive found that doing a session of meditation on lamrim it is best to do 10-15- mins of breathing meditation to settle the mind and it helps increase the lucidity and clarity of the following meditation, It is not something to be abandoned but nor is it the be all and end all. Visualization for example can take time i find it is best to start with the generic image and through futher familiarity it becomes clearer, keeping the mind calm and controlled helps increase the speed of accomplishing such an activity thats why breathing meditation is important before any main session.

Soley Meditating upon the breath will only yeild in increasing of concentration, it is somethingto be used in conjunction with acheiving the realizations of the stages of the path for the best effect.  :pray:

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Re: Using the breath for shinay and lhatong/shamata and vipashyana
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2010, 05:41:16 pm »
Thank you for the reply Caz. How about using the breath as a primary tool for progressing along the path? I have heard that one who can visualize a full Buddha in 3D with every detail in the Thangka is already meditating in the 4th Dhyana. Taking this into account, and in terms of your own experience, is the breath just a slow method?

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Ben Yuan

Meditating upon the breath is a basic method of increasing concentration and passing through the Jhanas, I've found that doing a session of meditation on lamrim it is best to do 10-15- mins of breathing meditation to settle the mind and it helps increase the lucidity and clarity of the following meditation, It is not something to be abandoned but nor is it the be all and end all. Visualization for example can take time i find it is best to start with the generic image and through further familiarity it becomes clearer, keeping the mind calm and controlled helps increase the speed of accomplishing such an activity that's why breathing meditation is important before any main session.

Soley Meditating upon the breath will only yield in increasing of concentration, it is something to be used in conjunction with achieving the realizations of the stages of the path for the best effect.  :pray:

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Thank you for your input Caz.

How about meditating upon the Dharma Seals with the breath as an object of contemplation?

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Ben Yuan

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Re: Using the breath for shinay and lhatong/shamata and vipashyana
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2010, 05:46:31 pm »
I would reconmend Lamrim.  :pray:
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Re: Using the breath for shinay and lhatong/shamata and vipashyana
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2010, 05:49:40 pm »
Is it considered less useful in the Vajrayana to start with the breath, and that is why it is not common? Or is it just as good an object as any other?

In my very lay practitioner humble opinion, it is not any less useful to start with your breath in Vajrayana.

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Re: Using the breath for shinay and lhatong/shamata and vipashyana
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2010, 06:12:11 pm »
Thanks for your suggestions, both of you.  :buddha2:

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Re: Using the breath for shinay and lhatong/shamata and vipashyana
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2010, 07:31:46 pm »
First start with Shamatha with a focus, Breath includes focus, it's actually said to be superior to external focus Aka rock buddha statue et cetera. Then when you get a very strong base in that eventually you move onto Shamatha without focus. Then vipashyana after that.

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Re: Using the breath for shinay and lhatong/shamata and vipashyana
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2010, 03:13:01 am »
If you can't focus on something as simple and natural as the breath how will you ever possibly be able to focus on complex visualisations in conjunction with mantra and yoga???

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Re: Using the breath for shinay and lhatong/shamata and vipashyana
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2010, 11:42:45 am »
I'm Kagyu and focus on the breath was the first meditation I was taught.  I went to meditation workshops at Samye Ling for a while and it was taught there.  I still use it as a "starter" when I sit to practice.
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