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Offline Rajko

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Meditation and antidepressants
« on: June 25, 2015, 09:36:40 am »
Hi guys after a half year of practicing mindfullness and metta meditation i have decidednto also try out ainti depressants. Started today and im taking 25mg zoloft. Ive had wonderfull experiences with meditation and i can say that it has been a factor for me deciding to take ADs. Metotation made me feel so nTurally high and confident at times and it was amaZing. But the days without the experience made me actually even more depressed and i realized it was too much for me to handle honestly. So what i want to ask is if my practice will be disturbed if i take these medicines. And if i will ever be able to experience the same sort of authenticity that i have experienced through moments of mindfull living. I feel as if zoloft is already making me numb, though i have feelt that i have always been more or less numb with or without these meds.

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Re: Meditation and antidepressants
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2015, 01:43:29 pm »
Hi Rajko and welcome to FreeSangha.

It might disturb for meditation, but on the other hand it might not --- for example, each person responds differently to antidepressants, so there really isn't a definitive answer. If I were to offer any advice, it would be that you should ask your doctor for a referral to a therapist that specializes in the use of meditation, more or less so both of them are in the loop when it comes to your mental health.

You might find this interview with Silvia Boorstein interesting:

http://www.inquiringmind.com/Articles/MedicineForTheBrain.html

There's also this article my Tara Brach:

http://blog.tarabrach.com/2013/08/can-you-medicate-meditation.html

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Re: Meditation and antidepressants
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2015, 11:30:27 pm »
With an antidepressant such as zoloft you won't notice any real effects for at least a couple weeks - I have been taking antidepressants for many years and am currently trying to gradually lower the dose with the help of a doctor. Things like this don't work over night. I had to try about 5 or 6 different ones before I found the one that works for me and which I am currently taking. If you find the right one it can be helpful along with your meditation practice. ;D
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Re: Meditation and antidepressants
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2015, 03:29:44 am »
Hmm i see. Its difficult to get a therapist that does meditation in sweden, i have one met one and that was a peivate session and cost me alot of money. The first day i tried zoloft(25mg) it took away the anxiety really:p

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Re: Meditation and antidepressants
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2015, 10:11:07 am »
Another question of mine is how will i be able to tell the difference between meditation induced moods/ deep awareness and medicin induced benefits:s.

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Re: Meditation and antidepressants
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2015, 02:16:48 pm »
I have a problem here too.

I have anxiety, and really want to be medicated. But I have a feeling being on a mind altering substance would hinder my path.

What about heroin? Can I used heroin every day and just be totally happy and euphoric and still achieve realization?


Do you need an unadulterated mind - or can it be under the influence of substance?

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Re: Meditation and antidepressants
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2015, 07:15:43 pm »
I have anxiety, and really want to be medicated. But I have a feeling being on a mind altering substance would hinder my path.

Anxiety is typically understood as a biological issue, where the intricacies of our bodies, especially our brains, are presumed to be involved in the origins and maintenance of anxiety disorders --- in other words, biological factors usually have to be in place for an anxiety disorder to manifest. For more on this matter, the following might be insightful:

https://www.mentalhelp.net/articles/biological-explanations-of-anxiety-disorders/

As for the use of prescribed pharmaceuticals under a medical professional's care, sometimes it can create hindrances and sometimes not, where it really depends on the side effects of medications involved and how the person responds to the treatment in general.
 
What about heroin? Can I used heroin every day and just be totally happy and euphoric and still achieve realization?

I would have to say "no" --- for example, as others have pointed out, any achievement made under the influence of such a substance would not only be dependent on the continued use of that substance, but dependency on that substance would continue to grow to the point of being an addiction. Of course, the same could be said of many of the prescribed pharmaceuticals, but it would be the equivalent of comparing apples to oranges. Another example would be LSD --- while it's not considered to be addictive, it does lead to the type of tolerance that requires larger and larger doses, something that's certainly reckless, as well as dangerous.

Do you need an unadulterated mind - or can it be under the influence of substance?

An unadulterated mind would be most beneficial  :D

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Re: Meditation and antidepressants
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2015, 07:29:35 pm »
Of course, the same could be said of many of the prescribed pharmaceuticals, but it would be the equivalent of comparing apples to oranges.

Back in the day, they treated depression with morphine. These new antidepressants are novel. Doctors use the whole "insulin" example to edge people into taking these medications (if you were diabetic, you'd take insulin, wouldn't you?)

But in reality, there is no proof anywhere that imbalances in neurotransmitters in the brain are the cause of anxiety, depression, OCD, etc. We cannot prove it. We cannot effectively measure neurotransmitters even.

Antidepressants cause withdrawal and dependency and addiction as well. Higher doses are required and even completely changing the medication.

So we went from Opiates, to barbs and benzos, neuroleptics, to new school TCAs, SSRIs, and SNRIs. All of these change your brain chemistry. So if an opiate wouldn't be appropriate to have in your system to balance you out and control your anxiety/ depression, they logically, an antidepressant shouldn't be either. Both put you in alternative states of mind....and not your fundamental nature.

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Re: Meditation and antidepressants
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2015, 08:26:39 pm »
What Neurotransmitters Are Involved in Anxiety Disorders?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/94954-neurotransmitters-involved-anxiety-disorder/

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Re: Meditation and antidepressants
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2015, 09:20:02 pm »
What Neurotransmitters Are Involved in Anxiety Disorders?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/94954-neurotransmitters-involved-anxiety-disorder/



"thought to be" was used in this article. Not once did it state Serotonin IS important in anxiety, or Norepinephine function IS involved in the symptoms of anxiety that are similar to those in stress, fear and panic.

The word IS is replaced with "thought to be"....  thus proving it's all still a guessing game at this point in our scientific knowledge of mental illness.

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Re: Meditation and antidepressants
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2016, 10:25:21 am »
Good think

 


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