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How to safely remove a Hornet's Nest without harm?
« on: September 19, 2017, 06:05:06 pm »
Hello,

I have a hornet's nest right outside my backdoor lawn and need to remove it. Being a Buddhist, this is difficult to do without killing the nest with a water hose. I have a 1-year-old baby and I don't want him stung. I would've blasted the nest with a water hose but seeing that it has eggs in it, I feel really bad as a mother myself, to kill off those insect eggs. How should I do this?
Should I forego my Buddhist vow of "do no harm" because this is self defense for the baby and I and just water hose it down? .... The nest is getting bigger by the week. Not sure what to do here... the longer I wait the more insect eggs I'd eventually have to kill.
 Lately, I've noticed they're buzzing around even inside the home and outside my window as (I'm guessing) they're collecting nesting items because I saw one gripping something between its jaws.

Please help me!  :headbow:



here's my 1-year-old:



And no, I do *not* know if my baby is allergic to insect bites, as he's never been stung by a bee or wasp. It's probably unlikely, since I'm not allergic.
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Re: How to safely remove a Hornet's Nest without harm?
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2017, 08:28:09 pm »
Usually there are govermental institution who would take care and make removings also without killing (if you live in a country where nature life is respected. Best ask at you town or village office, fire department).

It should be never difficult for a practicing person not to kill and there are always ways. What ever one gives he/she gets a share as well.

My person came somewhere across some good advices, but not remembering, was it an Dhammawheel, buddhism-exchange or D&D.

When coming across people who advice to kill, or let kill, leave that place, since those are people without faith at even the basics.

Ps: it's not such a good idea to make people affected to possible get promoted for not so good deeds.

It is btw. very thoughtful to think about the welfare of the hornets parents babies. Much better to think on others first and have joy in helping then to fall even into hysteria and fear. Fear is one of the four reasons for wrong doing since all you actually like to get ride off is your fear. Its better to get ride of it in staying inwardly correct, not fighting outwardy against it.
With patient and1 souber asking, you will find skilled likeminded to help in virtuose ways.
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Re: How to safely remove a Hornet's Nest without harm?
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2017, 10:13:13 am »
Thank you for your detailed response.
That was very helpful and your advice gave me some extra thought.  :headbow:

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Re: How to safely remove a Hornet's Nest without harm?
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2017, 01:42:19 pm »
Hi,

It appears you have a nest of European Hornets:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_hornet

Based on the WIKI, children are not on the hornets' preferred food list, but they may sting if disturbed or stepped on. :eek: , so your one year old should be safe if you keep her clear of the hornets' nest area. :hug:

I was not able to find any recommendations for the safe removal of hornets other than with methods of killing them.  Since we are a Buddhist website, my suggestion would be to wait till they hibernate for the winter and then destroy their nest with a water hose as you suggested, then scraping and discarding the paper remains, hoping that they will not return next year.

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Re: How to safely remove a Hornet's Nest without harm?
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2017, 11:13:52 am »
I once had a very large spider in my garage. One of my family has a disfavorable attitude towards the eight legged and called me to the garage for help. The spider, I saw, had it's babies all over its abdomen.  It was about four inches across and it's entire abdomen was restless with crawling young.  I have a strong grip over my fear response, but I was not happy at the creature who was now crawling further into my garage.

I went and got a piece of paper and a large clear plastic cup and I coaxed the large spider onto the paper, then I sat the cup on top of it to trap it. The spider, being very large I figured would not get out from the small gap I would create from lifting it. I assumed it's young would stay in place on their mother.

I lifted the cup and paper together. The inside of the cup, which was very clear, became black as the spiders tiny babies covered the inside of it and through the very small gaps around the base they began top stream out onto my arms. I took a deep breath and figured that they were very tiny and hopefully would not break my skin and I walked the extremely numerous spider family to a tree about forty feet away.

I took a shower and all ended well. My point is, I wish I had coaxed the spider out the door instead...It is correct according to National geographic that hornets abandon their nests in the winter in colder areas. I would wait, then get rid of the nest and seal up any holes that might make the area favorable to them....I would not try to seal it and move it, I tried that with spiders and while I find it very funny now, at the time I did not think it was amusing.

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Re: How to safely remove a Hornet's Nest without harm?
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2017, 03:01:00 pm »
When ever there is right resolve (e.g. metta), there is virtue and where ever is virtue one has the universe best protection for one self an everyone with him/her. Those are not just stories:

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Metta (goodwill, loving-kindness). See also Brahmavihara; Paramis.

Metta Means Goodwill (Thanissaro)
Karaṇīya Metta-Sutta The Message of Peace and Universal Friendliness (Ñāṇadassana)

Karaniya Metta Sutta (Discourse on Loving-kindness): Sn 1.8 and Khp 9
As a protection against harm: Cv 5.6, SN 20.5, AN 4.67
As a factor leading to liberation: AN 6.13
Systematic practice of ~: SN 42.8
Eleven benefits of ~: AN 11.16
Even more fruitful than giving: SN 20.4
Course of rebirths to be expected from those who cultivate ~: AN 4.125
Maintain thoughts of ~ no matter how others address you: MN 21
No one is dearer to one than oneself: Ud 5.1
The radiant brightness of ~: Iti 27
As a basis for the development of jhana: AN 8.63
Practicing ~ as a way to deal with annoying people: AN 5.161
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Re: How to safely remove a Hornet's Nest without harm?
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2017, 03:36:26 am »
Those were all very fun answers to read about. I think waiting until Winter ❄️ is the best answer. I sure have a long way to go in my cultivation. Because if this was a mosquito I would've crushed it without a thought, because mosquitoes are man's deadliest creature, spreading disease such as Zika Virus and Malaria. It's hard to have compassion for an insect
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Re: How to safely remove a Hornet's Nest without harm?
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2017, 08:16:53 am »
If you can avoid the area of the nest, waiting until winter is an effective solution.  However, wasps and hornets will attack anyone who is (in their opinion) close to their nest.  You don't have to be doing anything threatening.  And they communicate among themselves, so one sting will lead to more.  If the nest is in an area with unavoidable heavy traffic, I cannot think of a non-lethal option. :(

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Re: How to safely remove a Hornet's Nest without harm?
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2017, 12:39:01 pm »
I've heard that hanging up a brown paper bag will deter wasps and hornets because they're very territorial  and will think its another nest.

Something like this: https://www.gardeners.com/buy/fake-wasp-nest-deterrent-repellent/36-561.html

or this: http://www.sun-gazing.com/get-rid-wasps-using-brown-paper-bag-im-happy-learned/

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