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Offline Samadhi

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Input for Bibliography
« on: May 13, 2011, 07:52:01 pm »
Hey everyone!  Im putting together a working bibliography for a master's thesis and wondered if anyone had any input as to other comparative works and newer debate.  I am looking for anything by way of recent debate or specific debated points within Madhyamaka readings.  Im obviously working with my professor and the library and my lama, but attend a secular school and thought you all might have some good ideas.  I am needing to situate myself in an academically relevant debate.

I am using (but do not have below) as my two main texts Jay Garfield's translation of Mulamadhyamakakarika and Lama Tsongkaphas commentary. 


Here is the working biblio:


D'Amato, Mario, Jay L. Garfield, and Tom J. F. Tillemans. Pointing at the Moon: Buddhism, Logic, Analytic Philosophy. New York: Oxford UP, 2009. Print.


Dreyfus, Georges B. J., and Sara L. McClintock. The Svatantrika-Prasangika Distinction: What Difference Does a Difference Make? Boston: Wisdom    Publications, 2003. Print.


Kakol, Peter Paul. Emptiness and Becoming: Integrating Mādhyamika Buddhism and Process Philosophy. New Delhi: D.K. Printworld, 2009. Print.


Newland, Guy. The Two Truths in the Mādhyamika Philosophy of the Ge-luk-ba Order of Tibetan Buddhism. Ithaca, N.Y., USA: Snow Lion Publications, 1992. Print.


Thuptan, Chhogdup. Indo-Tibetan Madhyamika Studies. New Delhi: Tibet House, 1996. Print.


Tuck, Andrew P. Comparative Philosophy and the Philosophy of Scholarship: on the Western Interpretation of Nāgārjuna. New York: Oxford UP, 1990. Print.


Vose, Kevin. Resurrecting Candrakīrti: Disputes in the Tibetan Creation of Prāsaṅgika. Boston: Wisdom Publications, 2009. Print.

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Re: Input for Bibliography
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2011, 08:57:25 pm »
You're looking for Prasangika Madhyamaka material, right?
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2011, 10:36:15 pm »
soooo your writing about Madhyamaka for a masters degree...
do you practice the meditations and have you experienced anything, that should be kept private...lol...




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Re: Input for Bibliography
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2011, 12:21:44 am »
Hey everyone!  Im putting together a working bibliography for a master's thesis and wondered if anyone had any input as to other comparative works and newer debate.  I am looking for anything by way of recent debate or specific debated points within Madhyamaka readings.  Im obviously working with my professor and the library and my lama, but attend a secular school and thought you all might have some good ideas.  I am needing to situate myself in an academically relevant debate.

I am using (but do not have below) as my two main texts Jay Garfield's translation of Mulamadhyamakakarika and Lama Tsongkaphas commentary.  
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Hi there Samadhi,

I would suggest Shantideva’s Bodhicaryavatara.

Good luck with your thesis.  



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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2011, 08:37:26 am »
Nagarjuna's Vigrahavyāvartanīvṛtti (Averting the Arguments).

Side-by-side translations, in the original [romanized] Sanskrit, traditional Chinese, [romanized] Tibetan, and English:

https://www2.hf.uio.no/polyglotta/index.php?page=fulltext&view=fulltext&vid=70

Not recent, but still might be of some value.
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2011, 04:19:55 pm »
Wow! When I did mine I wasn't allowed to plunder and rely on work from others, but had to do the work mySelf ....  My how times change things ..... all things ....  :wink1:
...i found there was no "i" anywhere.....

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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2011, 02:14:41 am »
Wow! When I did mine I wasn't allowed to plunder and rely on work from others, but had to do the work mySelf ....  My how times change things ..... all things ....  :wink1:


Bet you even had to sharpen your own quill pens back then!  ;D

I had a strange experience  - the initial rejection of any idea I expressed unless it came from someone else, usually long dead, but at the same time a requirement to produce original work. Guess therein lies the divide between academic arts and sciences.  I also had an undergraduate paper I wrote pinched by the Professor and used in his lectures - which wasn't so bad but he only awarded me a grade 'B'! LOL :)

In this case, it looks like one has to prove wide knowledge of existing research, and make reference to it. However, whereas long ago we had to make an original contribution to the field, these days it seems not to be required.   In the UK a degree equates to the level fo difficulty of 'O' Levels in the 1960's.  Statistically, I see no rise in the IQ level of the population, yet 40% of them now go to university.  The only conclusion is that standards have fallen to meet them.

It's worth checking out the online Berzin Archives, which also leads to other sources:

http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/sutra/level5_analysis_mind_reality/voidness/five_great_madhyamaka_lines_reasoning.html

I would add to the Bibliography 'Ocean of Nectar' by Geshe Kelsang Gyatso:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ocean-Nectar-True-Nature-Things/dp/0948006234/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1305450793&sr=8-1

''Product Description

This is the first complete explanation in English of Chandrakirti's Guide to the Middle Way, a classic Mahayana scripture, which to this day is regarded as the principal presentation of Buddha's profound view of emptiness, the ultimate nature of reality. With a new translation and verse-by-verse commentary, the author reveals this profound meaning to the West with utmost clarity, and guides us along the stages of the Bodhisattva path to full enlightenment. The book is an indispensable guide for the serious practitioner of Mahayana Buddhism.''[/i]

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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2011, 06:17:50 am »
Karl Brunnholzl, Center of the Sunlit Sky

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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2011, 09:23:37 pm »
Karl Brunnholzl, Center of the Sunlit Sky
Jusit, have you actually read that? It's pretty imposing looking.

For those that don't know of it I believe it is an indepth explanation of the Kagyu version of Shentong. Is that right Justsit?
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2011, 05:17:27 am »
Here is the review from Snow Lion. I have read some of the book, Karl's writing is extremely clear and concise.
He was recently made Khenpo, one of the first Westerner's to be so honored

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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2011, 07:54:26 am »
Here is the review from Snow Lion. I have read some of the book, Karl's writing is extremely clear and concise.
He was recently made Khenpo, one of the first Westerner's to be so honored

In the Table of Contents it says it has, "Further chapters are devoted to the Autonomist-Consequentialist distinction."
I haven't even heard of that!
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2011, 08:54:42 am »
Here is the review from Snow Lion. I have read some of the book, Karl's writing is extremely clear and concise.
He was recently made Khenpo, one of the first Westerner's to be so honored

In the Table of Contents it says it has, "Further chapters are devoted to the Autonomist-Consequentialist distinction."
I haven't even heard of that!


Neither have I.  :gawrsh:

Maybe it is describing a belief that we have autonomous control of our morality and behaviour; the opposite would be that it is the outcome of karma - previous stinginess in a past life makes us give everything away to others altrustically in this life.  Bad example, but I see it as individual control versus karma.

Either that or somebody made it up so they could give talks and write articles about it and automatically create present wealth. ;)
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2011, 10:35:44 am »
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In the Table of Contents it says it has, "Further chapters are devoted to the Autonomist-Consequentialist distinction."
I haven't even heard of that!

Neither have I.  :gawrsh:

Maybe it is describing a belief that we have autonomous control of our morality and behaviour; the opposite would be that it is the outcome of karma - previous stinginess in a past life makes us give everything away to others altrustically in this life.  Bad example, but I see it as individual control versus karma.

Either that or somebody made it up so they could give talks and write articles about it and automatically create present wealth. ;)
The focus of the book is Madhyamaka, both Prasangika and Yogacara flavors as understood in the Karma Kagyu tradition. I don't see much about anything else in the Table of Contents. I suspect it relates somehow to the Rangtong/Shentong debate.

If it weren't $78 I'd get one to find out. And of course since I'm a pseudo intellectual I'd only peruse it instead of really reading it. Not worth $78 for that.
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2011, 12:17:13 pm »
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In the Table of Contents it says it has, "Further chapters are devoted to the Autonomist-Consequentialist distinction."
I haven't even heard of that!

Neither have I.  :gawrsh:

Maybe it is describing a belief that we have autonomous control of our morality and behaviour; the opposite would be that it is the outcome of karma - previous stinginess in a past life makes us give everything away to others altrustically in this life.  Bad example, but I see it as individual control versus karma.

Either that or somebody made it up so they could give talks and write articles about it and automatically create present wealth. ;)
The focus of the book is Madhyamaka, both Prasangika and Yogacara flavors as understood in the Karma Kagyu tradition. I don't see much about anything else in the Table of Contents. I suspect it relates somehow to the Rangtong/Shentong debate.

If it weren't $78 I'd get one to find out. And of course since I'm a pseudo intellectual I'd only peruse it instead of really reading it. Not worth $78 for that.

The problem I find is that the teacher positing their own position usually makes a good case for dismissing the other views.  I have to be careful not to select teachings which reinforce my prejudices.  At the moment I'd probably order a Gelugpa Madhyamaka Prasangika Pizza with a Shentong topping! :)

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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2011, 05:52:37 pm »
The problem I find is that the teacher positing their own position usually makes a good case for dismissing the other views.  I have to be careful not to select teachings which reinforce my prejudices.  At the moment I'd probably order a Gelugpa Madhyamaka Prasangika Pizza with a Shentong topping! :)
It doesn't seem to matter much which view you hold. People have gained realization holding widely divergent views, and Zen people don't even get into this stuff at all!

What was important to me in this regard is that I found a view that suits my needs and allows me to apply myself to my practice with least confusion and most confidence, and what makes sense to me may not suit somebody else.  I really don't care which view is "provisional" and which is "definitive". What difference does it make?
:twocents:

Edit: Oops, forgot. If you're doing the Sutrayana style of Mahamudra practice it is pretty important to have a good working knowledge of the Prasangika Madyamakha, from what I'm told, otherwise you could become attached to a false realization--but I'm not doing that!
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