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Offline Dharma Flower

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« on: October 10, 2017, 09:57:38 pm »
Besides reciting the name of Amida Buddha, I also recite the name of Guanyin, the Chinese name of Avalokitesvara. Guanyin is the Bodhisattva who embodies the compassion of Amida, and she has an image of Amida in her crown.

Whenever I feel the need to connect with Buddhahood in female form, to be comforted by her all-embracing compassion, I chant the name of Guanyin.
“Namo Guan Shi Yin Pusa… Namo Guan Shi Yin Pusa…”

Shinran Shonin decided to leave the monastic life to get married and have children after receiving a vision from Guanyin that she would be incarnate as his future wife. In the words of Shinran, “Avalokitesvara, the world savior of great compassion, stays close to us, like a mother.”

The Lotus Sutra promises that anger/hate, lust/greed, and ignorance, the three impediments to enlightenment, can be abated within ourselves by calling on the name of Guanyin. Many people have also been reborn into the Pure Land through reciting the name of Guanyin:

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Q: Should I focus on reciting Amitabha Buddha’s name, Guan Shi Yin Bodhisattva’s name, or both?
A: If you like to recite Guan Yin Bodhisattva, Guan Yin Bodhisattva will come to welcome you [to the Pure Land]. If you like to recite Amitabha Buddha, Amitabha Buddha will come to welcome you. Reciting either name is better than not reciting. It is only to be feared that you forget to recite Guan Yin Bodhisattva, and also forget to recite Amitabha Buddha. http://www.cttbusa.org/amitabha_session/amitabha_session.asp


In early versions of the Infinite Life Sutra, Guanyin is set to replace Amida in the future as Buddha of the Pure Land, when Amida passes into Parinirvana:
http://www3.nccu.edu.tw/~ckeng/doc/Nattier_PureLand.pdf

The Sutra of the Prophecy of Avalokitesvara also says that Guanyin is the future Buddha of the Pure Land, after Amida passes into final Nirvana:
http://www.sutrasmantras.info/sutra07.html

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Re: Avalokitesvara & Pure Land Buddhism
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2017, 08:40:27 pm »
Would you get strong muscular body by chanting name of Arnold Schwarzenegger? Would you become rich by chanting name of Bill Gates? Why do you expect to get rid of anger, hate, lust, ignorance by chanting name of any Buddha or Bodhisattva? You get things by practicing, by doing the actual work, and not by chanting. Emphasize on practice, share techniques and inspire others to work, instead of advising chanting.

Believing that chanting someone's name would invoke some divine being, who will then bring you to some pure land etc. is fantasy of lazy people.

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Re: Avalokitesvara & Pure Land Buddhism
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2017, 10:21:53 pm »

The Lotus Sutra promises that anger/hate, lust/greed, and ignorance, the three impediments to enlightenment, can be abated within ourselves by calling on the name of Guanyin.

I suggest you read this article by Bhikkhu Sujato of Sutta Central: "Is the Lotus Sutra Authentic?"

https://sujato.wordpress.com/2011/10/18/is-the-lotus-sutra-authentic/


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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2017, 12:03:09 am »
Believing that chanting someone's name would invoke some divine being, who will then bring you to some pure land etc. is fantasy of lazy people.
Never mind. Other people fantasize that they will achieve liberation through effort.  :teehee:

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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2017, 08:15:18 am »

The Lotus Sutra promises that anger/hate, lust/greed, and ignorance, the three impediments to enlightenment, can be abated within ourselves by calling on the name of Guanyin.

I suggest you read this article by Bhikkhu Sujato of Sutta Central: "Is the Lotus Sutra Authentic?"

https://sujato.wordpress.com/2011/10/18/is-the-lotus-sutra-authentic/




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This proves nothing except that the Venerable has a axe to grind with regards to the Mahayana.  He offers no proof or citation to a single word he writes.  Not one.


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Re: Avalokitesvara & Pure Land Buddhism
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2017, 10:52:04 am »
Believing that chanting someone's name would invoke some divine being, who will then bring you to some pure land etc. is fantasy of lazy people.

I would say that statement is what you'd could expect from someone who thinks they're better than others.

Is that how you feel Rahul?  Better than Dharma Flower?
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Re: Avalokitesvara & Pure Land Buddhism
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2017, 01:23:13 pm »

Is that how you feel Rahul?  Better than Dharma Flower?

Dharma Flower is a determined man, nothing will stop him from flooding internet forums with Mahayana, not even Rahul!


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« Last Edit: November 06, 2017, 01:25:24 pm by Pixie »
May all beings have happiness and the causes of happiness.
May they all be free from suffering and the causes of suffering.
May they never be deprived of true happiness devoid of any suffering.
May they abide in great impartiality, free from attachment to loved ones and aversion to others.

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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2017, 02:55:51 pm »

Is that how you feel Rahul?  Better than Dharma Flower?

Dharma Flower is a determined man, nothing will stop him from flooding internet forums with Mahayana, not even Rahul!


Better -worse, good- bad, right-wrong, "I like ....I don't like":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33S5l67nC-Y


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you're not Rahul.

andvwhats wrong with spreading the word about Mahayana.  At least he's not doing it by disparaging Theraveda, which is more that be siad for Theravedins around here today.  He's even posting his stuff in the Mahayana forum which should be off limits for bashing like we're seeing.
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Re: Avalokitesvara & Pure Land Buddhism
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2017, 08:54:20 pm »
It is by working that we gain results. This is a fact we all can see and verify in our daily life. If liberation is possible, or if there is anything like liberation - nirvana - then it is for sure possible by working, practicing, and not by chanting.

To those who interpret that I think I am better than others, I have nothing to say. Feel free to invest your time in judging me and ignoring the crux of my argument.

Some people talk about authenticity of suttas. But I think there's no way one can determine authenticity of any suttas. Not even Tipitaka. Several of these books were initially in verbal form, and passed from generation to generation by memorizing and reciting. Thousands of pages ... memorized and passed from generation to generation... Very likely the content got altered knowingly or unknowingly. Plus keep in mind that the this institution namely 'Sangha' has always been dependent on donations from the society and hence very likely content of these scriptures were customized to please/impress the society of those days.

So instead of testing authenticity of the suttas, it would be fruitful to evaluate them and adopt only the ideas that make sense and discard the ideas that don't.

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Re: Avalokitesvara & Pure Land Buddhism
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2017, 11:12:39 pm »
It is by working that we gain results.
:lmfao:

This is a fact we all can see and verify in our daily life. If liberation is possible, or if there is anything like liberation - nirvana - then it is for sure possible by working, practicing, and not by chanting.

This is like saying: "If liberation from ignorance is possible them only through ignorance " :teehee:


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Re: Avalokitesvara & Pure Land Buddhism
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2017, 06:06:54 pm »
It is fair to say Rahul has the right to investigate the truth about chanting phenomena and for me I have observed a lot of practitioners do not understand with clarity of the mechanics of chanting taking per say the action of will suffice. There are more to that chanting is a mild form of meditation which are purpose made for the masses inclusively. The result of this activity(chanting) will open one tto a path of clear awareness and increased the likely hood of achieving pureness. Just like many who mistaken pureland as a real estate or a geographical place.

 


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