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Offline riju

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« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2013, 01:55:35 am »
Luckily everyone of two legged beings (human beings), who ever is strictly following 8-fold noble path of Guatam buddha is on the journey of MAHAYANA.

We have innumeable sentients in our body.
If a person follows 8-fold path, these sentients are in harmony with each other and also with the outside world.

This creates a stage of peace in the person, who is continuously taking in
INFLOWS just by his  mere existence.

Many of these sentients in the body are in Arihant stage and with INFLOWS, these sentients are going continuously towards higher Arihant level

This makes the person automatcally follow the path of MAHAYANA or growth.

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« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2013, 05:33:08 am »
"process from one stage of arihant to next higher stage of arihant"

An arihant (NO SELF) looks around with COMPASSION at sufferings of others.
He sees their sufferings as his sufferings due to UNITY of this creation. At this stage he loses his Arihant stage and actually suffers for others.This process is of INFLOWS of sufferings.

Next he sits in meditation and having tasted Arihant (no self or emptiness of all dharmas), he nullifies those inflow of sufferings and grows to higher stage of Arihant.

This is what Buddha taught to MAHAYANISTS.

And you know this how? :listen:
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A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2013, 07:45:38 am »

And you know this how? :listen:

Guatam buddha never replied to such questions unless asked thrice.
I have understood His Wisdom of doing so.

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« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2013, 08:17:25 am »
2.  And you know this how?

3.  And you know this how?

I think that makes thrice.   :)

My reason for asking is that we are advised "by Buddha" to verify and validate all teachings for ourselves.  In this way we will know what is truth (fact) and not just belief or regurgitation of specious dogma.
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2013, 08:45:21 am »
2.  And you know this how?

3.  And you know this how?

I think that makes thrice.   :)

My reason for asking is that we are advised "by Buddha" to verify and validate all teachings for ourselves.  In this way we will know what is truth (fact) and not just belief or regurgitation of specious dogma.

I explained my truths earlier at Dharma wheel and on other forums, the reactions are negative and harm the reader.
And the answer is not useful to the reader.
Initially I used to give the answer and the moderator will remove it away and rightly so.

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« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2013, 08:55:04 am »
These are your truths and yet you refuse to answer Ron's questions? By the way, if you haven't noticed, this is not Dharma Wheel LOL

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« Reply #36 on: August 16, 2013, 09:14:44 am »
These are your truths and yet you refuse to answer Ron's questions? By the way, if you haven't noticed, this is not Dharma Wheel LOL

yea Riji your allowed here to speak your views here freely (as long as they are not threats,name calling.....ect)
if someone has a problem with your views then they do not have to read the page nobody is forcing them,or they can kindly disagree.

for instance I would like you to source you information with direct quotes from the Lotus sutra so we can see where your interpretation is coming from.

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« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2013, 09:28:44 am »
These are your truths and yet you refuse to answer Ron's questions? By the way, if you haven't noticed, this is not Dharma Wheel LOL

1.I have been practically following compassion method of my growth for         many years WITH RESULTS.

probably new thread in personal experiences/ danger zone will be better.

At present I am going to bed and I will be ready for detailed reply tomorrow after consulting my INNER VOICE to night.
I know I have been getting positive viberations on this forum.
« Last Edit: August 16, 2013, 09:31:00 am by riju »

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« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2013, 09:49:56 am »
Riju, it might be better to use one of your existing threads, especially if they're related to the results from what you have been speaking about, otherwise people might not know where you're coming from.

Of course, this is just a suggestion from one friend to another, not a moderation request  :D

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« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2013, 07:54:45 pm »
Yesterday night I was guided by my INNER VOICE and I am ready for the answer.
I am moving to Danger zone, where I had written on Bees and Ants. That subject is relevant to the answer.
The answer will be detailed and long in two three sections. This is done to explain in detail and there by have minimum negative reaction on some of the readers.There will also be a parable from Lotus sutra which fits in completely.

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« Reply #40 on: August 16, 2013, 07:57:59 pm »
Sounds good. Also make sure you provide a link to the new thread here --- this way people can click directly on the link.  :namaste:

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« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2013, 11:50:12 pm »
"process from one stage of arihant to next higher stage of arihant"

An arihant (NO SELF) looks around with COMPASSION at sufferings of others.
He sees their sufferings as his sufferings due to UNITY of this creation. At this stage he loses his Arihant stage and actually suffers for others.This process is of INFLOWS of sufferings.

Next he sits in meditation and having tasted Arihant (no self or emptiness of all dharmas), he nullifies those inflow of sufferings and grows to higher stage of Arihant.

This is what Buddha taught to MAHAYANISTS.

Compassion is the 2nd of brahmaviharas (namely: loving kindsness, compassion, altruistic joy, equanimity). Compssion is also related to 2nd jhana attainment.
In Pali Canon, compassion is a tool, the raft wich is abandoned in Arahant's mind. Even Buddha have to be asked by Sakka to teach peoples, because after his Liberation his bodhosatta resolve based on compassion was abandoned.

It was alredy discussed, but i would like to reply from PC point of view.

In my opinion, comparing different teaching have no sense. Because words are the same, but meanings are different. So it's impossible.

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Suffering - should be understood
Origin of suffering - should be abandoned
Cessation of suffering - should be realised
The way leadding to cessation of suffering - should be developed

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« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2013, 11:23:30 pm »
Compassion is the 2nd of brahmaviharas (namely: loving kindsness, compassion, altruistic joy, equanimity). Compssion is also related to 2nd jhana attainment.
In Pali Canon, compassion is a tool, the raft wich is abandoned in Arahant's mind. Even Buddha have to be asked by Sakka to teach peoples, because after his Liberation his bodhosatta resolve based on compassion was abandoned.

It was alredy discussed, but i would like to reply from PC point of view.

In my opinion, comparing different teaching have no sense. Because words are the same, but meanings are different. So it's impossible.

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err my point of view? (sorry if I misread).
Just got done reading Bhikkhu Bodhi's "In the Words of Buddha" and I'm not 100% sure I agree.
For starters, it's not Sakka that asks the Buddha but Brahma Sahampati - a student of an earlier Buddha and not really one of the more worldly devas. In fact Bhikkhu Bodhi makes it clear that there were ulterior motives for being requested to teach others (a display of how difficult the Dhamma is to grasp). It's mentioned multiple times that compassion leads to liberation of mind. I don't know that you can separate compassion from equanimity, which is one of the 7 factors of enlightenment and the 4th of the 4 Brahma Viharas. I don't think the 4 Brahma Viharas are separate, merely stages in a path, cultivating 1 fully has the effect of cultivating the other 4.

If compassion is to be disregarded by Arahants, then non-compassion is to be disregarded as well - all views are to be disregarded by the Noble Ones. Even a Bodhisattva who perceives another sentient being to be saved is not a Bodhisattva (a famous saying).

Not impossible to look at the various teachings if you understand the context and aren't looking for some sort of superiority from one school over another.

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« Reply #43 on: August 03, 2016, 05:19:14 am »
I haven't heard Sariputra was mentioned as the next Buddha in much later life.
Anyway thank you for precious information.

 


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