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Relying upon Conscientiousness.

(28)
The inner enemies of hatred, attachment, and so forth
Do not have arms and legs,
Nor do they have courage or skill;
So how have they made me their slave ?

(29)
While they remain in my mind
They harm me at their pleasure,
And yet, without anger, I patiently endure them.
How shameful! This is no occasion for patience.

(30)
If all living beings, including the gods and demi-gods,
were to rise up against me as one enemy,
They could not lead me to the fires of the deepest hell
and throw me in;

(31)
But this powerful enemy of delusions
In an instant can cast me into that fiery place
Where even the  ashes of Mount Meru
Would be consumed without a trace.

(32)

No other type of enemy
Can remain for as long a time
As can the enduring foes of my delusions,
For they  have no begining and no apparent end.

(33)
If i agree with external enemies and honour them,
They will eventually bring me benifit and happiness;
But if i entrust my self to my delusions,
In the future they will bring me only more pain and suffering.

(34)
So how can i remain in samsara joyfully and without fear
While i readily reserve a place in my heart
For this interminable enemy of long duration
That alone is the cause of increasing all my suffering ?

(35)
How can i ever be happy
While these gaurdians of the prision of samsara
That torture and torment me in the hells and elsewhere
Dwell like an iron net in my mind ?

 :pray:
« Last Edit: April 21, 2010, 06:05:51 am by Caz »
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Re: Delusion: some words from Shantidevas Bodhisattvas way of life.
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2010, 04:36:02 pm »
36. I will not leave the fight until, before my eyes,
These enemies of mine are all destroyed.
For if, aroused to fury by the merest slight,
Incapable of sleep until the scores are settled,

37. Foolish rivals, both to suffer when they die,
Will draw the battle lines and do their best to win,
And careless of the pain of cut and thrust,
Will stand their ground, refusing to give way,

38. No need to say that I will not lose heart,
Regardless of the hardships of the fray.
These natural foes today I'll strive to crush-
These enemies, the source of all my pain.
Om Tare Tutare Svaha

"All that we are is the result of what we have thought.  The mind is everything.  What we think we become." Buddha Sakyamuni

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Re: Delusion: some words from Shantidevas Bodhisattvas way of life.
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2010, 06:13:42 pm »
Yay Caz! He almost has the title right now!   :D
Sergeant Schultz was onto something.

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Re: Delusion: some words from Shantidevas Bodhisattvas way of life.
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2010, 10:58:40 am »
Yay Caz! He almost has the title right now!   :D

Random generation of words will eventually superimpose itself over our delusions and produce:

''A Guide to the Bodhisattva's Way of Life'' by Shantideva.

(Bodhisattvacharyāvatāra)

LOL :)

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Re: Delusion: some words from Shantidevas Bodhisattvas way of life.
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2010, 11:00:10 am »
Yay Caz! He almost has the title right now!   :D

Here's a transliteration of the title: Bodhisattvacharyāvatāra.  I can't read Sanskrit, but anything else is a translation.

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What's your favorite translation?  Any others in addition to those listed here?:

Shantideva (1990), Santideva's Bodhicharyavatara: Original Sanskrit text with English translation and exposition based on Prajnakarmati's Panjika, Delhi: Aditya Prakashan, ISBN 818517914X

Shantideva; Batchelor, Stephen (trans) (1992), A Guide to the Bodhisattva's Way of Life (6th Revised ed.), Snow Lion Publications, ISBN 8185102597

Shantideva; Berzin, Alexander, Engaging in Bodhisattva Behavior
Shantideva; Crosby, Kate (trans.); Skilton, Andrew (trans.) (1998), The Bodhicaryavatara: A Guide to the Buddhist Path to Awakening, Oxford, ISBN 1899579494

Shantideva; Gyatso, Kelsang, Guide to the Bodhisattva's Way of Life, Tharpa, ISBN 0948006897

Shantideva; Sazang Mati Panchen; Kalsang Gyaltsen (trans); Ani Kunga Chodron (trans) (2006), Bodisattvacharyavatara: Engaging in the Conduct of the Bodhisattvas: with the commentary of Sazang Mati Panchen (2 vol.), Tsechen Kunchab Ling

Shantideva; Matics, Marion L. (1972), Entering the Path of Enlightenment: The Bodhicaryavatara of Santideva (Collection of representative works: Indian series / Unesco ed.), George Allen & Unwin, ISBN 0042940729

Shantideva; Padmakara Translation Group (2006), The Way of the Bodhisattva (Revised ed.), Shambhala, ISBN 1590303881

Shantideva; Wallace, Vesna A. (trans); Wallace, B. Alan (trans) (1997), A Guide to the Bodhisattva Way of Life, Snow Lion Publications, ISBN 1559390611

Online at:
www.shantideva.net

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What's your favorite translation?  Any others in addition to those listed here?:

Shantideva (1990), Santideva's Bodhicharyavatara: Original Sanskrit text with English translation and exposition based on Prajnakarmati's Panjika, Delhi: Aditya Prakashan, ISBN 818517914X

Shantideva; Batchelor, Stephen (trans) (1992), A Guide to the Bodhisattva's Way of Life (6th Revised ed.), Snow Lion Publications, ISBN 8185102597

Shantideva; Berzin, Alexander, Engaging in Bodhisattva Behavior
Shantideva; Crosby, Kate (trans.); Skilton, Andrew (trans.) (1998), The Bodhicaryavatara: A Guide to the Buddhist Path to Awakening, Oxford, ISBN 1899579494

Shantideva; Gyatso, Kelsang, Guide to the Bodhisattva's Way of Life, Tharpa, ISBN 0948006897

Shantideva; Sazang Mati Panchen; Kalsang Gyaltsen (trans); Ani Kunga Chodron (trans) (2006), Bodisattvacharyavatara: Engaging in the Conduct of the Bodhisattvas: with the commentary of Sazang Mati Panchen (2 vol.), Tsechen Kunchab Ling

Shantideva; Matics, Marion L. (1972), Entering the Path of Enlightenment: The Bodhicaryavatara of Santideva (Collection of representative works: Indian series / Unesco ed.), George Allen & Unwin, ISBN 0042940729

Shantideva; Padmakara Translation Group (2006), The Way of the Bodhisattva (Revised ed.), Shambhala, ISBN 1590303881

Shantideva; Wallace, Vesna A. (trans); Wallace, B. Alan (trans) (1997), A Guide to the Bodhisattva Way of Life, Snow Lion Publications, ISBN 1559390611

Online at:
www.shantideva.net

Shantideva; Gyatso, Kelsang, Guide to the Bodhisattva's Way of Life, Tharpa, ISBN 0948006897

It was the first version I read and the associated commentary is very clear. I've heard non-NKT Geshes teach from a different version, but so far no significant differences. ;)

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I am also working from Kelsang Gyatso's version, simply because nothing else was available. I'd be very interested to know which translations are highly regarded in the wider community. That being said, it seems a quite workable translation.

I'm particularly interested in how others translate the terms "valid cognizer" and "valid cognition".
Sergeant Schultz was onto something.

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I am also working from Kelsang Gyatso's version, simply because nothing else was available. I'd be very interested to know which translations are highly regarded in the wider community. That being said, it seems a quite workable translation.

I'm particularly interested in how others translate the terms "valid cognizer" and "valid cognition".

I think these terms are pretty universal within the Gelugpa in terms of conventional and ultimate reality.

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Shantideva; Padmakara Translation Group (2006), The Way of the Bodhisattva (Revised ed.), Shambhala, ISBN 1590303881

This is my fav. Its a great read. I like the commentary by Kunzang Drops of Nectar. That helps reading Shantideva alot !

Hope this helps
Bodhicharyavatara Ch 1 vs 10

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Ah, thank you. I'll keep an eye out for it. It hink there is a Shambala group not far from here too.
Sergeant Schultz was onto something.

 


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