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Offline ZenFred

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Heart Sutra questions
« on: April 09, 2014, 05:22:31 pm »
I was looking over commentaries of the heart sutra

http://webdharma.com/ctzg/heartsutra1.html

When the sutra says "All dharmas are marked with emptiness" I had interpreted that as meaning:

"All teachings are about/are referring to emptiness."

but the commentary seems to say i was using a wrong meaning of the word dharma and that the meaning is:

"All existence is emptiness."

Granted even if the second interpretation is more correct, it is still true that all teachings refer to emptiness since all existence, that is anything a teaching could potentially refer to, is emptiness.

Thoughts?

Namaste  :namaste: -Fred

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Re: Heart Sutra questions
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2014, 05:37:22 pm »
When the Heart Sutra talks about 'Emptiness' it is referring to just that - Nothing.


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Re: Heart Sutra questions
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2014, 05:42:33 pm »
From what I've read Emptiness is the suchness that all things can change and there's no fixed state of it.

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Re: Heart Sutra questions
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2014, 05:46:02 pm »
"Speaking and communicating face to face is much better than the forum formats." ...  :)

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Re: Heart Sutra questions
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2014, 05:57:26 pm »
Moonbeam, you are right; at least based on what i've read. Emptiness can also refer to being indescribable (which is the way I primarily see it) but also impermanence.

Nepalian, emptiness actually doesn't mean nothingness, at least as traditionally interpreted. Perhaps we could debate a nihilistic interpretation of Buddhism/emptiness in the danger zone if you would like, but i think that's off topic for here.

Anyways, My question was really about the term "dharma" in the context of that one line. However, I welcome any perspective or comments about the heart sutra as a whole.





« Last Edit: April 09, 2014, 06:26:34 pm by ZenFred, Reason: Remaining on topic »

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Re: Heart Sutra questions
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2014, 07:50:00 pm »
From what I understand, there is Dharma as in Buddha's Teachings, and then there's dharma as in the truth of everything else. It may be talking about the every day dharma in everything.

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Re: Heart Sutra questions
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2014, 02:28:44 am »
When the sutra says "All dharmas are marked with emptiness"

It just means that all phenomena are empty of inherent ( independent ) existence, due to conditionality and dependent arising.

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Re: Heart Sutra questions
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2014, 04:20:50 am »
Hmmm... I decided that I could use a commentary to help.

The essence of the heart sutra by HHTDL
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0861712846/ref=redir_mdp_mobile?keywords=Essence%20of%20the%20Heart%20Sutra&qid=1361923195&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

Buying it on iBooks today, I'll post a review when I finish it.

-Fred

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Re: Heart Sutra questions
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2014, 05:27:15 pm »
How does a monastery or dharma center continue its activities without the support of the Buddha? ...

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Re: Heart Sutra questions
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2014, 05:29:53 pm »
umm... what are you talking about?

Offline NepalianBuddhist

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Re: Heart Sutra questions
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2014, 05:45:55 pm »
NVM.

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Re: Heart Sutra questions
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2014, 05:55:59 pm »
NVM? As in "not very much" or is there a different meaning for the abbreviation?

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Re: Heart Sutra questions
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2014, 05:59:09 pm »
Well,

I had generally come under the assumption that the historical Buddha Siddhartha Gautama had not traveled further than India. (The Northern UttarKapredesh region is where he assumed is wanderings) How do you supposed to translate Buddhism to America or Canada or Mexico? I'm not sure how that works. Since it is predominately an Asian-inspired religion (The populist region of Asia) ...

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Re: Heart Sutra questions
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2014, 06:07:00 pm »
Nepalian,
I'm guessing that's in reference to the translation of "emptiness" which is a bigger topic than this thread. I promise I'll start a thread in the danger zone for that discussion either tonight or tomorrow!

NVM = never mind.  DK, you are particularly bad on your 14 year old girl texting jargon  :teehee:

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Re: Heart Sutra questions
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2014, 06:33:08 pm »
http://www.freesangha.com/forums/the-danger-zone/what-does-'emptiness'-mean/msg73998/#msg73998

There we go. Now we can talk about emptiness there if you want.

 


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