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Offline Xo12

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My First Sutra
« on: February 11, 2014, 08:57:50 pm »
Yesterday I purchased "The Śūraṅgama Sūtra: With Excerpts from the Commentary by the Venerable Master Hsüan Hua." I have not yet made it to the translation, but am going over the forward, introduction and the brief overview of the segmented sutra. I am taking notes, defining terms and seperately note my behavior, the speed in which I comprehend, and a place I can spot my mind's wandering. I can see myself in the monk, Ānanda, In the past, I knew about meditation, of cleansing rituals and rites but did not perform either. I thought my intellect would save me, do the grunt work, but I only put stress on myself doing such. I intend to read this sutra, and I know myself well enough to proclaim practice.

The Surangama Sutra has been historically popular, and I am looking for guidance. I am sure through this sutra there is much explained to make a student well-informed, but I can see a wealth of knowledge overlooked from no lack of effort.

Superficially, I see much I want from this sutra. Only recently with hearding Hyon Gak's explanation of the nature of Bodhidharma can I see this outward yearning. I accept that only within holds my answers, but I can also accept I can lose that clarity in an instant of looking away. The points of this sutra have inspired many, especially in it's original four character prose.

Not only these reasons, but even the introduction speaks of a parallel to Plato's writing. A point important to me--to my older research.

With all that, I am inspired by these precepts, to put myself to test... to see if I truly want what is so simply explained as extinguishing.

So ultimately I have questions; questions of form and style. I look for suggestions, of how you would go about studying sutra. Of pitfalls, perhaps terms I will see and find err in my own perception.

PS. Maybe I should I look for a study group.
PPS. I feel foolish for typing this, but such is the task of a newbie.

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Re: My First Sutra
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2014, 09:57:11 pm »
Hmmm... a very good idea. If there are other members interested in an online study group, we could create a new sub-section on the forum.




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Re: My First Sutra
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2014, 07:06:00 am »
I would be interested in a study group if the text was available online/free. I have a limited book budget.

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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2014, 09:30:07 am »
No problem --- you can actually download a free copy of the Surangama Sutra here:

http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/surangama.pdf

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Re: My First Sutra
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Re: My First Sutra
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2014, 11:26:56 am »
One can hardly complain to have too many resources. I am glad I posted something.

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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2014, 04:47:59 pm »
Thanks downloaded it. Let me know if we want to start a study group. I think a sub-forum with a particular text those who want can work thru would be great.

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Re: My First Sutra
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2014, 05:58:48 pm »
I am not one to set a date in stone, but since there is a new translation, we might be able to concatenate our efforts on this lengthy yet beloved sutra. I am welcome to suggestion in format and when it would be best for us, individually to begin.

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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2014, 07:13:29 pm »
Is the new translation you refer to available for free download? Otherwise it might be better to use the readily available version from BuddhaNet.

As for a date to begin... how about next month?

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Re: My First Sutra
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2014, 06:31:29 am »
Yes, I agree. The version I am talking about is not free, but I do not mind going with the group with the free version. And next month sounds good.

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Re: My First Sutra
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2014, 10:01:05 pm »
Is this online study group open to anyone? I would love to join, but will understand if it is geared toward a specific group.

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Re: My First Sutra
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2014, 10:30:40 pm »
It will be open to anyone who's interested.

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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2014, 09:30:01 pm »
I found, in my rudimentary study, a lack of a mantra most central to the other translation I am using along side the one found on Buddhanet--for simplicities sake, I will name them "Free version and Not free version (FV and NFV)". It, in full can be found here: http://studysutra.org/drba_others/lengyan.pdf

I think the Dharma found in the Sutra will be more illuminating than the mantra, as I cannot find a translation. I hope that doesn't come across as insulting, but there may be a reason it was removed all together. Though, I think it is important to note, as the mantra does come up, albeit completely lacking.

Sorry, jumping the gun with the studying, but I am enjoying the Sutra, if only by cursory glance.

 


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