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Offline Dharma Friend

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Universal monarch or Enlightened?
« on: October 09, 2014, 08:22:30 am »
Hi, I'm not sure where to post this :-
In the life story of Buddha, his dad asks a seer to predict what will happen to the newborn prince when he grows up. The seer says the prince will either grow up to be a ruler of the whole world or a fully enlightened Buddha. Then he says the time for a universal monarch (chakravatin king) is now over so he'll become enlightened.
Of course being a Buddha is more beneficial but why is the time to be a universal monarch over? Who makes these rules?!
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Re: Universal monarch or Enlightened?
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2014, 12:08:09 pm »
Hi Dharma Friend and welcome to Free Sangha.

Your question was more or less outside of the scope of the thread you originally posited it in, so it seemed better to make it a topic of its own.

Scholars are hesitant to make unqualified claims about the historical facts of the Buddha's life and this would probably include questions such as your own --- for example, the tale of the seer appears to be a common literary theme or trope because the same thing was said about Mahavira, with the noted exception that he's understood to be the 24th tirthankara of Jainism. It's been long suspected that one copied the other or borrowed large portions of the other's biography, which in turn complicates matters.

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Re: Universal monarch or Enlightened?
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2014, 06:40:03 pm »
Then he says the time for a universal monarch (chakravatin king) is now over so he'll become enlightened.
Of course being a Buddha is more beneficial but why is the time to be a universal monarch over? Who makes these rules?!


What makes you think it is a rule? There is much mention in the sutras of the times and seasons of things, of how change in society and culture will swing one way then another. It seems that we are blessed enough to have been born into the time following a spiritual leader, who's teaching has lasted longer already than the organisation of any kingdom.

There is a sutra on what a Wheel-Turning Monarch is, which gives details. http://www.basicbuddhism.org/index.cfm?GPID=29

 


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