Sayings of Tripitaka Dharma Master

[Blue Garuda]

TM.

A series of posts which are all quotes (and have no content from a member) are disruptive of your own thread as they allow for no discussion. 

Mods - maybe the thread should be moved to 'The Library' .

Disruptive?

I did not notice 'The Library' so far, yes perhaps a good idea. Although I think this will not slow down Hanzze

Hanzze craves the attention you feed him.  You crave the attention he gives you.

When he is not fed, he digs up old threads from the distant past and posts on them in the hope of attention.

Ignoring him may lead to a cessation of the 'flooding' but since you are also engaged in flooding threads he wiill have ample material to feed from.

Your flooding of threads with this dialogue has driven away most of the few remaining members here.  I hope Mods move on from setting up a thread for your ping-pong to banning you both and then contacting all the members who have left and letting them know it is a place they can visit and be assured of sensible conversation. 

For me, this is a sad cancer detroying an old friend who I am not in a position to help.  Like others, I now give up and leave you to your reciprocal onanism.

[Hanzze]

Two kinds of people are rare in this world:

One who gives freely without being asked
One who is grateful for a given service.

*smile*

[ground]

Question: "What is a demon mind?"

Answer: "Closing the eyes in the crossed-legged sitting posture and entering samadhi."


Question: What if I gather the mind into dhyana so that it does not move?"

Answer: "This is bondage samadhi. It is useless. This holds even for the four dhyanas, each of which is merely a state of quiescence from which you will return to disturbance again. They are not to be valued. These are created dharmas, dharmas that will be destroyed again, not ultimate Dharma. If you can understand that intrinsically there is neither quiescence nor disturbance, then  you will be able to exist of yourself. The one who is not drawn into quiescence and disturbance is the man of spirit." Further: "If one is capable of not seizing on interpretations, not creating the mind of delusion, and not esteeming profound knowledge, then he will be a peaceful person. If there is one dharma to be esteemed or valued, this dharma will be the one most capable of binding and killing you, and you will fall into having mind. This is an unreliable state of affairs. There are innumerable common men throughout the world who are bound by terminology and the written word."



excerpt from The Bodhidharma Anthology, J. L Broughton

[ground]

"All the Buddha of the ten directions have cut the defilements and completed the path of the Buddhas."

"You recklessly make such calculations without any fixed frame of reference."


Another question: "How do the Buddhas cross over sentient beings to nirvana?"

Answer: "When the image in a mirror crosses over sentient beings, Buddhas will cross over sentient beings."



excerpt from The Bodhidharma Anthology, J. L Broughton

[ground]

Remark: Original words of the translator are maintained. The word "sin" (and its accompanying concept) should be replaced by concepts referred to as "breach of sila/vow" and/or "misdeed"



Another question: "This path is completely created by false thought. What is a creation of false thought?"

Answer: "The Dharma has no big or small, form or characteristic, high or low. It is as if within your residence there were a great stone in the foreground of the garden. Should you fall asleep on it or sit on it, you would neither be alarmed nor fearful. Suddenly you get the idea to create an image. You hire someone to paint a Buddha image on it. When your mind creates the interpretation 'Buddha', then you fear commiting a sin and no longer dare to sit on top of it. It is the original stone, but this Buddha interpretation was created by your own mind. What is mind like? It is always your mind-consciousness brush painting and creating these interpretations. You yourself bring on the anxiety. You yourself bring on the fear. In reality within the stone there is neither sin nor merit. Your mind itself creates these interpretations. It is as if someone were to paint the form of yaksas, ghosts, dragons, and tigers. He himself paints them, but when he looks at them in turn, he himself gets fearful. In the paint ultimately there is no locus to be feared. It is always your mind-consciousness brush discriminating and creating these interpretations. How could there be one thing? It is always your false thought creating these interpretations."




excerpt from The Bodhidharma Anthology, J. L Broughton

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Buddhas speak of void dharmas in order to destroy views, but if you are in turn attached to voidness, you are one whom Buddhas cannot transform. At the point of arising, only voidness arises. At the point of extinguishing, only voidness extinguishes. In reality there is not one dharma that arises. In reality there is not one dharma that extinguishes. All dharmas arise due to craving. Craving has neither inside nor outside, not does it lie in  beetween. Discrimination is a void dharma, but common men are broiled by it. The false and the correct have neither inner nor outer, nor do they lie in the various directions. Discrimination is a void dharma, but common men are broiled by it. All dharma are like this.




excerpt from The Bodhidharma Anthology, J. L Broughton

[ground]

The Dharma Body is formless. Therefore, one sees it by no-seeing. Dharma is soundless. Therefore, one hears it by no-hearing. If one takes seeing as seeing, then there is something that is not seen. If one takes no-seeing as seeing, then there is nothing that is not seen. If one takes knowing as knowing, then there is something that is not known. If one takes no-knowing as knowing, then there is nothing that is no known. Insight is capable of knowing itself, and so it is not something that has knowing, and yet, because it knows vis-à-vis things, it is not something that lacks knowing. If one takes apprehending as apprehending, there is something that is not apprehended. If one takes no-apprehending as apprehending, then there is nothing that is not apprehended. If one takes 'is' as 'is', then there will be something that is not. If one takes having-no-is as 'is', then there is nothing that is not. One gate of insight enters one hundred thousand gates of insight. One sees a pillar characteristic and makes the interpretation pillar. Observe that mind is the pillar dharma and no pillar characteristic exists.  Therefore, when one sees a pillar, it is the apprehension of a pillar dharma. The seeing of all forms is like this.





excerpt from The Bodhidharma Anthology, J. L Broughton

[zerwe]

TM.

A series of posts which are all quotes (and have no content from a member) are disruptive of your own thread as they allow for no discussion. 

Mods - maybe the thread should be moved to 'The Library' .

Disruptive?

I did not notice 'The Library' so far, yes perhaps a good idea. Although I think this will not slow down Hanzze

Hanzze craves the attention you feed him.  You crave the attention he gives you.

When he is not fed, he digs up old threads from the distant past and posts on them in the hope of attention.

Ignoring him may lead to a cessation of the 'flooding' but since you are also engaged in flooding threads he wiill have ample material to feed from.

Your flooding of threads with this dialogue has driven away most of the few remaining members here.  I hope Mods move on from setting up a thread for your ping-pong to banning you both and then contacting all the members who have left and letting them know it is a place they can visit and be assured of sensible conversation. 

For me, this is a sad cancer detroying an old friend who I am not in a position to help.  Like others, I now give up and leave you to your reciprocal onanism.

[Hanzze]

It is easy to see the faults of others, but difficult to see one's own. A man broadcasts the fault; of others like winnowing chaff in the wind, but hides his own faults as a crafty fowler covers himself.

Dhp Verse 252

Ay, what a trap! *smile* More crazy if it has not any real cause. But it binds. Honest, who would like to have the opposite?

Maybe we should read some of the post reciting the "Dharma Master" again or start simply with the basics and the roots? *smile*

Give up! Nothing else is to do. But, damn still bearing the seek of victory in my head.

[ground]

Someone says: "All dharmas are nonexistent."

Objection: "Can you see existence?" Whether there is no-existence in existence or existence in no-existence, there is still your 'existing'."


Someone says: "All dharmas are nonarising."

Objection: "Do you see arising? Whether there is no-arising in arising or arising in no arising, there is still your 'arising'."


Also: "I see that all is no-mind."

Objection: "Do you see mind? Whether there is no-mind in mind or mind in no-mind, there is still your 'mind'."




excerpt from The Bodhidharma Anthology, J. L Broughton

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Dhyana Master Yüan says: "All the sutras and treatises are dharmas that produce mind. If you produce a mental focus on the path, then ingenious artifice will give rise to knowledge and a complement of events. If mind is not produced, what need is there for cross-legged sitting dhyana? If ingenious artifice does not arise, why toil over right mindfulness? If you do not raise the thought of enlightenment and do not seek insight and understanding, then you will exhaust both phenomena and principle."



excerpt from The Bodhidharma Anthology, J. L Broughton

[ground]

Dhyana Master Chüeh says: "If you awaken to the realization that mind has nothing to be connected to, you have apprehended footprints of the path. Why? Eyes see every form, but eyes are not connected to any form. Eyes are intrinsically liberated. Ears hear every sound, but ears are not connected to any sound. In fact mind passes through every dharma, but mind is not connected to any dharma. It is intrinsically liberated. The sutra says: 'It is  because all dharmas are unconnected to one another.'"



excerpt from The Bodhidharma Anthology, J. L Broughton

[ground]

When the worldy morons encounter a devilish, cock-and-bull fellow who babbles a demonic line, they come up with a demonic interpretation and use it as compass. This is beneath comment. How can they perform the function of a great thing? Hearing that a certain person leads a group of millions, their mind is triggered into motion. Gaze well at the dharmas of your own mind to determine whether it harbors the spoken and written word or not.

If one does not grasp for understanding and does not seek wisdom, he will desire to avoid the delusions and confusions of the Dharma masters and Dhyana masters.

If you value one person as correct, then you will not avoid the deceptive confusions of this person ...


excerpt from The Bodhidharma Anthology, J. L Broughton

[Hanzze]

What should that be "a correct person"? *smile* A true person? Fear is so manifold, even very wise is no protection at all. You can do everything, but never lose the idea of "I", "we" or "mine". Otherwise, how could a person be true? *smile*

[ground]

What should that be "a correct person"? *smile*

A conventional linguistic expression which seems to be a fabrication based on the original "If you value one person as correct" (i.e. value as correct). What you make of it is up to you.