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Re: What is Buddha Nature(Tathagatagarbha)?
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2013, 11:37:01 pm »
As long as you still have a concept, buddha nature cannot be understood properly.

Buddha nature can only be fully understood within non-conceptual experience.

Within non-conceptual experience, there is no buddha nature, because buddha nature is a concept.

Within that non-conceptual experience, that inexpresibble is foolishly named as buddha nature.

Can you provide evidence for your views in the Buddha Nature sutras,or is this your made up opinion?

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Re: What is Buddha Nature(Tathagatagarbha)?
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2013, 11:38:48 pm »
Isn't that already obvious in you right now?
Enlightenment is simply the clearing away of misunderstanding. When mistaken thinking is gone, liberation has happened. (Gampopa)


When we verbally indicate a thing as 'this' or 'that', our words, like rabbits's horns, are hollow names, mere fictive imputation upon what does not exist. (Longchenpa)

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Re: What is Buddha Nature(Tathagatagarbha)?
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2013, 11:44:55 pm »
Isn't that already obvious in you right now?

You do know there are ACTUAL Buddha Nature teachings that come from the sutras are posted on page one dont you?

You dont have to make stuff up the actual teachings are already there and readily accessable to you.
If you want to read what the actual texts say I can send you links to the sutras.

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Re: What is Buddha Nature(Tathagatagarbha)?
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2013, 11:59:18 pm »
Why you put your Buddha nature on page 1?

Enlightenment is simply the clearing away of misunderstanding. When mistaken thinking is gone, liberation has happened. (Gampopa)


When we verbally indicate a thing as 'this' or 'that', our words, like rabbits's horns, are hollow names, mere fictive imputation upon what does not exist. (Longchenpa)

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Re: What is Buddha Nature(Tathagatagarbha)?
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2013, 12:14:19 am »
Why you put your Buddha nature on page 1?

I stated the ACTUAL teachings about Buddha nature from the sutras can be found on page one.

(so you dont have to make stuff up anymore)

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Re: What is Buddha Nature(Tathagatagarbha)?
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2013, 12:17:37 am »
Why you put your Buddha nature on page 1?


If you like to stick your into something, you need an object.
There is no coupling if there is no object. tupy tupy tup ... Birth ahhhh..

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Re: What is Buddha Nature(Tathagatagarbha)?
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2013, 12:25:45 am »
Why you put your Buddha nature on page 1?

I stated the ACTUAL teachings about Buddha nature from the sutras can be found on page one.

(so you dont have to make stuff up anymore)

But that is paper buddha nature.

What is the point to discuss paper buddha nature?

The actual buddha nature is in you.

So, if you really want to discuss buddha nature, the source is in you, not in that paper.

Are you ready to see inside you, or you are simply ready to see a paper?
Enlightenment is simply the clearing away of misunderstanding. When mistaken thinking is gone, liberation has happened. (Gampopa)


When we verbally indicate a thing as 'this' or 'that', our words, like rabbits's horns, are hollow names, mere fictive imputation upon what does not exist. (Longchenpa)

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Re: What is Buddha Nature(Tathagatagarbha)?
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2013, 12:31:00 am »
The actual buddha nature is in you.

Could you elaborate this a little  :D

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Re: What is Buddha Nature(Tathagatagarbha)?
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2013, 12:34:03 am »
What the hell are you talking about people?
What is the point of arguing about something you have no idea about?
Wake up!

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Re: What is Buddha Nature(Tathagatagarbha)?
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2013, 12:35:28 am »
Why you put your Buddha nature on page 1?

I stated the ACTUAL teachings about Buddha nature from the sutras can be found on page one.

(so you dont have to make stuff up anymore)

But that is paper buddha nature.

What is the point to discuss paper buddha nature?

The actual buddha nature is in you.


So, if you really want to discuss buddha nature, the source is in you, not in that paper.

Are you ready to see inside you, or you are simply ready to see a paper?

the Buddha is talking about the Buddha Nature that is inside you
(thats the point of the sutra)
The other point of the sutra is that it keeps certain people from making up fake views and pushing them off as Buddha nature.
So when we see someone who is pushing off fake views about the Buddha Nature we can say your views are made up and not in line with the actual teaching.

Depend upon the sutras not upon persons(from an important Buddha nature sutra)

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Re: What is Buddha Nature(Tathagatagarbha)?
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2013, 12:46:20 am »
The actual buddha nature is in you.

Could you elaborate this a little  :D

You can see the whole meditation technique within Theravada.

Which meditation try to teach you to gain something?

Do you notice that buddhist meditation is not something like you pray, then the god give you a pill and you become holly or become powerful?

Do you notice that in buddhist meditation particularly Theravada the word of letting go is very popular?

Now, if you simply let go, let go, and let go, without the need to get that miracle pill, what will be obvious?

What will be obvious is your nature, isn't it?

What are you doing in meditation actually? When you think about it, is to let your very basic nature become very obvious, isn't it?

And do you develop your nature? If something is your nature, you cannot develop it. You can only make it obvious or not obvious.

Nagarjuna said something like this:
If you dig the ground, and inside that ground it doesn't have a diamond, no matter how long you dig that ground even for aeons, you cannot get that diamond.

Who can deny that fact, isn't it?

Now, you see your meditation.

What is buddhist meditation actually?

Buddhist meditation only to let go, let go, and let go. And from that letting go, your basic nature will somehow become more and more obvious.

Remember you are letting go, and letting go is not same with letting in.

If you are letting in, you gain something new, which is previously not part of you.

But, you let go, you in fact throwing things out so to speak. And here, if buddha nature is not inherently you, your letting go will be useless.

If now your nature is not buddha nature, you shall do letting in, instead of letting go.

This is just an analogy to demonstrate that the proof that your nature is buddha nature can actually be seen from the meditation technique itself.

THe most simple fact that your nature is buddha is actually your own meditation:
If your nature is animal, the more you meditate by letting go, the more animal you will become.
But, if you nature is buddha, the more you meditate by letting go, the more that buddha nature will become more and more obvious.

The fact that your nature is buddha is undeniable. And that fact is obvious to anyone who meditates, who let go totally so to speak.

Unfortunately it is hidden, just like you cannot see your own eye balls.

It is there. But if you don't click to it, you will always miss it in front of you.

This is the interesting part as well, so obvious yet not realized at this moment.
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Enlightenment is simply the clearing away of misunderstanding. When mistaken thinking is gone, liberation has happened. (Gampopa)


When we verbally indicate a thing as 'this' or 'that', our words, like rabbits's horns, are hollow names, mere fictive imputation upon what does not exist. (Longchenpa)

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Re: What is Buddha Nature(Tathagatagarbha)?
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2013, 01:50:49 am »
What the hell are you talking about people?
What is the point of arguing about something you have no idea about?
Wake up!
:D

It's a funny time waste, don't disturb us...  :teehee: one day we will wake up, we have Buddha nature

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Re: What is Buddha Nature(Tathagatagarbha)?
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2013, 01:53:25 am »
The actual buddha nature is in you.

Could you elaborate this a little  :D

You can see the whole meditation technique within Theravada.

Which meditation try to teach you to gain something?

Do you notice that buddhist meditation is not something like you pray, then the god give you a pill and you become holly or become powerful?

Do you notice that in buddhist meditation particularly Theravada the word of letting go is very popular?

Now, if you simply let go, let go, and let go, without the need to get that miracle pill, what will be obvious?

What will be obvious is your nature, isn't it?

What are you doing in meditation actually? When you think about it, is to let your very basic nature become very obvious, isn't it?

And do you develop your nature? If something is your nature, you cannot develop it. You can only make it obvious or not obvious.

Nagarjuna said something like this:
If you dig the ground, and inside that ground it doesn't have a diamond, no matter how long you dig that ground even for aeons, you cannot get that diamond.

Who can deny that fact, isn't it?

Now, you see your meditation.

What is buddhist meditation actually?

Buddhist meditation only to let go, let go, and let go. And from that letting go, your basic nature will somehow become more and more obvious.

Remember you are letting go, and letting go is not same with letting in.

If you are letting in, you gain something new, which is previously not part of you.

But, you let go, you in fact throwing things out so to speak. And here, if buddha nature is not inherently you, your letting go will be useless.

If now your nature is not buddha nature, you shall do letting in, instead of letting go.

This is just an analogy to demonstrate that the proof that your nature is buddha nature can actually be seen from the meditation technique itself.

THe most simple fact that your nature is buddha is actually your own meditation:
If your nature is animal, the more you meditate by letting go, the more animal you will become.
But, if you nature is buddha, the more you meditate by letting go, the more that buddha nature will become more and more obvious.

The fact that your nature is buddha is undeniable. And that fact is obvious to anyone who meditates, who let go totally so to speak.

Unfortunately it is hidden, just like you cannot see your own eye balls.

It is there. But if you don't click to it, you will always miss it in front of you.

This is the interesting part as well, so obvious yet not realized at this moment.
I appreciate your endurance and patient .  :D

Can you elaborate this further as well: "This is the interesting part as well, so obvious yet not realized at this moment."

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Re: What is Buddha Nature(Tathagatagarbha)?
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2013, 02:38:12 am »
This is a big topic.

But let me ask you. Hopefully, at the end, it can answer that.

If you see water, ice and vapor, we can notice that there 3 things can change so freely depending on the condition, isn't it?

But do you notice the ability to change is actually showing you they do not have a particular or inherent shape?

If ice has an inherent shape, that inherent shape of ice will contrain the ice to become water or to become vapor.

If water has an inherent shape, that inherent shape of liquidity will contrain the water to become solid like an ice or will contrain that water to become vapor.

Do you notice that there is this free of binding?

And that free of binding is always present all the time, even when it is in ice form in solid form, in water in liquidity form, in vapor in gas form?

Do you notice this free of binding?
Enlightenment is simply the clearing away of misunderstanding. When mistaken thinking is gone, liberation has happened. (Gampopa)


When we verbally indicate a thing as 'this' or 'that', our words, like rabbits's horns, are hollow names, mere fictive imputation upon what does not exist. (Longchenpa)

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Re: What is Buddha Nature(Tathagatagarbha)?
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2013, 02:57:49 am »
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But do you notice the ability to change is actually showing you they do not have a particular or inherent shape?
H20
 :eek:
Surprised, huh?

 


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