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Offline premlama

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Tantra
« on: January 17, 2014, 11:25:50 am »
What is tantra?

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Offline Dharmakara

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Re: Tantra
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2014, 12:06:44 pm »
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Tantra -- Sanskrit: तन्त्र, "loom, warp"; hence "principle, system, doctrine, theory", from the verbal root tan "stretch, extend, expand", and the suffix tra "instrument", anglicised as tantrism or tantricism


"Tantra" is the name given by scholars to a style of meditation and ritual which arose in India no later than the fifth century AD. The earliest documented use of the word "Tantra" is in the Rigveda (X.71.9). Tantra has influenced the Hindu, Bön, Buddhist, and Jain traditions and spread with Buddhism to East and Southeast Asia.

more here >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantra

The Buddhist version of Tantra is better known as "Vajrayana".  Vajrayana is also known as Tantric Buddhism, Tantrayana, Mantrayana, Secret Mantra, Esoteric Buddhism and the Diamond Way or Thunderbolt Way. Vajrayāna is a complex and multifaceted system of Buddhist thought and practice which evolved over several centuries.

According to Vajrayāna scriptures "Vajrayana" refers to one of three vehicles or routes to enlightenment, the other two being the Hinayāna and Mahayana. Note that Hinayāna (or Nikaya) is not to be confused with Theravada (a practice lineage); although is sometimes equated to it.

Founded by the Indian Mahāsiddhas, Vajrayāna subscribes to Buddhist tantric literature.

more here >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajrayana

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Re: Tantra
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2014, 12:09:02 pm »
Hello,

Tantra is the Dzogchen reference to our primordial condition. (ie) the teaching concerning the state or nature of our condition.

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Re: Tantra
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2014, 02:09:57 pm »
Is Tantra same with Tantrayana?  as explain by Dalailama in Youtube [Intro to Buddhism (Hinayana, Mahayana & Tantrayana)]. I'm watching this video, and His teaching is so simple and clear for me.

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Re: Tantra
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2014, 02:40:42 pm »
i am in some kind of personal journey to discover 'deeper' truth of spiritual world thru Buddhism teaching. one part that strike me in the video is (tentatively) Mahayana help to understand Noble Truth no 3 (Cesseasion), etc. Tantra help ...  but being abused by some monks. Also the timing of Tantra (400-500 years) after Buddha is very interesting for me. In past, i expect 600 years (using small statistic). Since i got some form of enlightment on Nirvana, i think i understand the essence of this teaching but lack of buddhism vocabulary to explain it. I expect one day, i can explain various quality of nirvana (pure, defiled, lookalike, fake). its VERY difficult to understand this spiritual things, but i try it (take years)

Offline Dharmakara

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Re: Tantra
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2014, 03:44:15 pm »
Is Tantra same with Tantrayana?  as explain by Dalailama in Youtube [Intro to Buddhism (Hinayana, Mahayana & Tantrayana)]. I'm watching this video, and His teaching is so simple and clear for me.

"Tantra" is a reference to such practices, regardless of whether we're talking about the Hindu, Bon, Buddhist, or Jain tradition, while "Tantrayana" is a reference to the vehicle (yana) itself, again, regardless of whether we're talking about the Hindu, Bon, Buddhist, or Jain tradition.

Such practices can be unique to each tradition involved, with emphasis placed on empowerments of a guru in appropriate lineage to practice a particular tantra. For example, a Hindu guru usually does not possess empowerments and lineage required within Buddhist Tantrayana; and vice versa.

So, to answer your question, yes, the Dalai Lama is speaking of the same thing, but within the Buddhist context.

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Re: Tantra
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2014, 02:48:59 pm »
thank you Dharmakara. i think i understand Tantra better now (the essence). I think the concept/somekind of Tantra is widespread in Christian and Islam (any form of miracles can be considered Tantra, IMO).

If spirits want to unveil further, then i will be able to get the signature/characteristic of 'tantra' of religions. I know quite extensive signature of 'tantra' in christian (most church has lost it since Dark Ages), but not clear enough in Buddhism (for me). Based on my limited experience, Tantra in buddhism should guide/pointing the person to Cesseasion (at least, Cesseasion in minor forms). Hope i can understand the base/strong-foundation before a person can be trusted with Tantra (thus not abused it).

Spiritual World of Buddhism is abit clearer for me

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Re: Tantra
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2014, 02:57:42 pm »
If I recall correctly, there's still traces of tantra within the Coptic Church.

 


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