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A Strange Experience From An Outsider
« on: March 16, 2018, 09:32:01 pm »
Hello everyone.

I'd like to discuss an experience I had last night that has left me confused, if I may. Some of the things I say here will almost surely seem trite or silly, but I will offer some background so you know where I'm coming from first. I would call myself an atheist, actively believing in no higher power. The closest I come to religion on a day to day basis is that I have a long abiding fascination with ancient Germanic paganism/shamanic religions as my lineage is from Germany. But even then, it's more a cultural thing.

Anyhow, I am very poorly educated about Buddhism, though have always found my brief few run-ins with its adherents to be pleasant. The trite part: Some of the only Buddhist information I have actually comes from a television show, King of the Hill, in which one of the characters was suspected of being a reincarnated Buddha. During the show, he used the chant "Om mani padme hum". Ever since hearing it I thought there was something charming about it. I know the syllables stand for certain virtues, but I cannot tell you which ones off hand. This is the degree of ignorance which I am in about the religion. Please, then, do not take this in offense. I mean nothing rude by it, I am simply uneducated.

From time to time, I've thought of those words. Once I looked them up on Youtube and found something I can only liken to "Buddhist Rock" that put the chant to a vaguely pop-rock track. It was kind of funny actually, that these charming words should be used so carelessly, but then I'm oddly particular that way.

Last night was one of the times those words came to mind. I was laying in bed and they were just running circles in my mind as I lay with my eyes closed. A strange sort of rhythm organically came about. As I breathed in slowly, deeply, I heard the words in my head, and then again as I breathed out. I could almost hear them in the sound of my breathing if that makes any sense. Then something odd happened. After I don't know how long of this pattern, I saw a pristine white flash, almost as though it was seen through my eye lids, but from above. I was immediately reminded of the chakra that is above or in the head for some reason. I noticed my mind was then filled with blue, and each time I inhaled the chant, the blue became more vibrant, like a summer sky. With each exhale of the chant, the color faded darker.

That's when I noticed something even stranger. The darkness of my closed eyes was different. For lack of a clearer description, it's usually flat. But this time, it was as though there was a great dark expanse, it was three dimensional when I closed my eyes, and I felt like I was moving. To type it out...it sounds mundane, almost silly. But to experience it was a little frightening and a little exciting. I could see forms come out of the darkness as I moved through it, faces I think.

I've never experienced anything like that. I don't even know that the chant had anything to do with it. But it's left some kind of a mark on me. I can't get it out of my head. I'm going to try it again tonight after reading more about what the individual syllables mean. Does any of this make sense to anyone? Have I just finally lost my grip?
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A Strange Experience From An Outsider
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2018, 02:35:04 am »
Hello everyone.

I'd like to discuss an experience I had last night that has left me confused, if I may. Some of the things I say here will almost surely seem trite or silly, but I will offer some background so you know where I'm coming from first. I would call myself an atheist, actively believing in no higher power. The closest I come to religion on a day to day basis is that I have a long abiding fascination with ancient Germanic paganism/shamanic religions as my lineage is from Germany. But even then, it's more a cultural thing.

Anyhow, I am very poorly educated about Buddhism, though have always found my brief few run-ins with its adherents to be pleasant. The trite part: Some of the only Buddhist information I have actually comes from a television show, King of the Hill, in which one of the characters was suspected of being a reincarnated Buddha. During the show, he used the chant "Om mani padme hum". Ever since hearing it I thought there was something charming about it. I know the syllables stand for certain virtues, but I cannot tell you which ones off hand. This is the degree of ignorance which I am in about the religion. Please, then, do not take this in offense. I mean nothing rude by it, I am simply uneducated.

From time to time, I've thought of those words. Once I looked them up on Youtube and found something I can only liken to "Buddhist Rock" that put the chant to a vaguely pop-rock track. It was kind of funny actually, that these charming words should be used so carelessly, but then I'm oddly particular that way.

Last night was one of the times those words came to mind. I was laying in bed and they were just running circles in my mind as I lay with my eyes closed. A strange sort of rhythm organically came about. As I breathed in slowly, deeply, I heard the words in my head, and then again as I breathed out. I could almost hear them in the sound of my breathing if that makes any sense. Then something odd happened. After I don't know how long of this pattern, I saw a pristine white flash, almost as though it was seen through my eye lids, but from above. I was immediately reminded of the chakra that is above or in the head for some reason. I noticed my mind was then filled with blue, and each time I inhaled the chant, the blue became more vibrant, like a summer sky. With each exhale of the chant, the color faded darker.

That's when I noticed something even stranger. The darkness of my closed eyes was different. For lack of a clearer description, it's usually flat. But this time, it was as though there was a great dark expanse, it was three dimensional when I closed my eyes, and I felt like I was moving. To type it out...it sounds mundane, almost silly. But to experience it was a little frightening and a little exciting. I could see forms come out of the darkness as I moved through it, faces I think.

I've never experienced anything like that. I don't even know that the chant had anything to do with it. But it's left some kind of a mark on me. I can't get it out of my head. I'm going to try it again tonight after reading more about what the individual syllables mean. Does any of this make sense to anyone? Have I just finally lost my grip?
According to the shurangama and Diamond sutra, if you would to entertain these organically minds, objects or subjects whilst in such awesome chanting whether voluntarily or involuntarily, it is not going to be along the path of eventual enlightenment. It will lead you to awry.
This chant is imparted from Goddess of Mercy and one of many methods, to regain back the original enlightenment mind of sentience. Simple the syllabus of the chant means Purity like lotus flower grown out of the mud and waves of water (means impurity, disasters or ignorance mind).
This awesome chant even if it did not completely transform the ignorance to enlightenment, will develop blessings. When blessings is expanded out of the box, enlightenment prevails Om Mani Padme Hum to all sentience

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Re: A Strange Experience From An Outsider
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2018, 04:49:33 am »
Hello everyone.

I've never experienced anything like that. I don't even know that the chant had anything to do with it. But it's left some kind of a mark on me. I can't get it out of my head. I'm going to try it again tonight after reading more about what the individual syllables mean. Does any of this make sense to anyone? Have I just finally lost my grip?
Stuff like that happens when you meditate, which is why many people go to experienced teachers, who can reassure them when strange things happen. It's only the brain adjusting to a different way of operating and I wouldn't read any occult stuff into it. I've 'seen' a number of things, but I usually keep quiet in case people take it the wrong way.

As to the meaning, if you want to chant it really doesn't matter if you understand or not. Some people say that they are more useful when you don't know what they mean since the resonant vibrations of chanting out loud have their own effect. Many people prefer to chant in a group for this to be more effective.
“You do not need to leave your room. Remain sitting at your table and listen. Do not even listen, simply wait, be quiet, still and solitary. The world will freely offer itself to you to be unmasked, it has no choice, it will roll in ecstasy at your feet.” Franz Kafka

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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2018, 07:38:43 am »
Hello everyone.

I'd like to discuss an experience I had last night that has left me confused, if I may. Some of the things I say here will almost surely seem trite or silly, but I will offer some background so you know where I'm coming from first. I would call myself an atheist, actively believing in no higher power. The closest I come to religion on a day to day basis is that I have a long abiding fascination with ancient Germanic paganism/shamanic religions as my lineage is from Germany. But even then, it's more a cultural thing.

Anyhow, I am very poorly educated about Buddhism, though have always found my brief few run-ins with its adherents to be pleasant. The trite part: Some of the only Buddhist information I have actually comes from a television show, King of the Hill, in which one of the characters was suspected of being a reincarnated Buddha. During the show, he used the chant "Om mani padme hum". Ever since hearing it I thought there was something charming about it. I know the syllables stand for certain virtues, but I cannot tell you which ones off hand. This is the degree of ignorance which I am in about the religion. Please, then, do not take this in offense. I mean nothing rude by it, I am simply uneducated.

From time to time, I've thought of those words. Once I looked them up on Youtube and found something I can only liken to "Buddhist Rock" that put the chant to a vaguely pop-rock track. It was kind of funny actually, that these charming words should be used so carelessly, but then I'm oddly particular that way.

Last night was one of the times those words came to mind. I was laying in bed and they were just running circles in my mind as I lay with my eyes closed. A strange sort of rhythm organically came about. As I breathed in slowly, deeply, I heard the words in my head, and then again as I breathed out. I could almost hear them in the sound of my breathing if that makes any sense. Then something odd happened. After I don't know how long of this pattern, I saw a pristine white flash, almost as though it was seen through my eye lids, but from above. I was immediately reminded of the chakra that is above or in the head for some reason. I noticed my mind was then filled with blue, and each time I inhaled the chant, the blue became more vibrant, like a summer sky. With each exhale of the chant, the color faded darker.

That's when I noticed something even stranger. The darkness of my closed eyes was different. For lack of a clearer description, it's usually flat. But this time, it was as though there was a great dark expanse, it was three dimensional when I closed my eyes, and I felt like I was moving. To type it out...it sounds mundane, almost silly. But to experience it was a little frightening and a little exciting. I could see forms come out of the darkness as I moved through it, faces I think.

I've never experienced anything like that. I don't even know that the chant had anything to do with it. But it's left some kind of a mark on me. I can't get it out of my head. I'm going to try it again tonight after reading more about what the individual syllables mean. Does any of this make sense to anyone? Have I just finally lost my grip?
According to the shurangama and Diamond sutra, if you would to entertain these organically minds, objects or subjects whilst in such awesome chanting whether voluntarily or involuntarily, it is not going to be along the path of eventual enlightenment. It will lead you to awry.
This chant is imparted from Goddess of Mercy and one of many methods, to regain back the original enlightenment mind of sentience. Simple the syllabus of the chant means Purity like lotus flower grown out of the mud and waves of water (means impurity, disasters or ignorance mind).
This awesome chant even if it did not completely transform the ignorance to enlightenment, will develop blessings. When blessings is expanded out of the box, enlightenment prevails Om Mani Padme Hum to all sentience

Do you regard the strange experiences as tests? Are they to be ignored?

Hello everyone.

I've never experienced anything like that. I don't even know that the chant had anything to do with it. But it's left some kind of a mark on me. I can't get it out of my head. I'm going to try it again tonight after reading more about what the individual syllables mean. Does any of this make sense to anyone? Have I just finally lost my grip?
Stuff like that happens when you meditate, which is why many people go to experienced teachers, who can reassure them when strange things happen. It's only the brain adjusting to a different way of operating and I wouldn't read any occult stuff into it. I've 'seen' a number of things, but I usually keep quiet in case people take it the wrong way.

As to the meaning, if you want to chant it really doesn't matter if you understand or not. Some people say that they are more useful when you don't know what they mean since the resonant vibrations of chanting out loud have their own effect. Many people prefer to chant in a group for this to be more effective.

I don't know if it matters, but I wasn't speaking it out loud. It was something I was "hearing" in my mind. When I say I heard it in my breath...I'm not sure how to explain...I was just breathing slowly, normally. I "heard" the chant in time with my breath, and it almost became one with my breath, but I was in no way speaking or vocalizing it.

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Re: A Strange Experience From An Outsider
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2018, 12:43:52 am »
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Last night was one of the times those words came to mind. I was laying in bed and they were just running circles in my mind as I lay with my eyes closed. A strange sort of rhythm organically came about. As I breathed in slowly, deeply, I heard the words in my head, and then again as I breathed out. I could almost hear them in the sound of my breathing if that makes any sense. Then something odd happened. After I don't know how long of this pattern, I saw a pristine white flash, almost as though it was seen through my eye lids, but from above. I was immediately reminded of the chakra that is above or in the head for some reason. I noticed my mind was then filled with blue, and each time I inhaled the chant, the blue became more vibrant, like a summer sky. With each exhale of the chant, the color faded darker.


Its possible that you had drifted off to sleep and were dreaming that you were still awake.

 Whether you were awake or asleep, there's not much value in trying to analyse and hold on to whatever you think happened.  Because of impermanence, everything arises and passes away, including unusual "experiences".

"I am very poorly educated about Buddhism"

You could make a start by reading about the historical Buddha's teachings of The Four Noble Truths.

https://www.amaravati.org/dhamma-books/the-four-noble-truths/


All the best. _/|\_

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Re: A Strange Experience From An Outsider
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2018, 08:41:14 am »
Welcome. I do not expressly think that the vision you describe should be dismissed or be over emphasized.  The things in meditation, simply are, there is a great deal of context which the Buddha provided and the core of that insight has answers which are exhaustive. Personally, I read books, but a good teacher can help a lot, if you have a meditation center or access to books I suggest both, I would be happy to suggest a few if you are interested but there is a thread about books for beginners in this forum which is really great.

http://www.freesangha.com/forums/beginner's-buddhism/the-one-book-for-beginners/




 


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