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Offline Anemephistus

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A survey
« on: May 24, 2018, 11:14:07 am »
A user on another site I frequent is working on a thesis for his bachelors thesis in psychology and studies Meditation and the teaching. He has posted a survey in an attempt to gather supporting information on his assertions about the benefit of meditative practice. He has asked that it is shared with others that are in a position to give information. It is short and anonymous and I thought I would share the link for anyone who might be willing to take about five minutes and fill it out...I figure the more the medical community grasps, the better it can help others who struggle.

https://www.soscisurvey.de/medmindsoc/

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Re: A survey
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2018, 02:46:17 am »
This surveyor is illogical, as follows:

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open monitoring (mindfulness) meditation: non-reactive monitoring of the content of experience (feelings, thoughts, etc.) from moment to moment e.g. mindfulness-, zen-, shikantaza meditation

If the mind has thoughts, how can the mind be "open"??  :listen:

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Re: A survey
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2018, 02:48:48 am »
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I see my mistakes and difficulties without judging them.

Are not the ideas of "mistakes" and "difficulties" examples of judging?  :teehee:

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Re: A survey
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2018, 11:03:58 am »
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I see my mistakes and difficulties without judging them.

I see your  mistakes and "try" not to judge them. :-P  This is a difficulty of developing mental equanimity.  It is even harder for me with my own mistakes.  ....which is another difficulty I have with mental equanimity. :-P :-P
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Re: A survey
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2018, 04:36:10 pm »
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I see my mistakes and difficulties without judging them.

Are not the ideas of "mistakes" and "difficulties" examples of judging?  :teehee:

Academically yes, they are examples of judgment. As a practical mental reaction to an internal mental formation arising from a causative impulse with a lifetime or more of momentum...I think they are a more subtle concept than simply trying not to judge ones mistakes and difficulties, and I would estimate learning to not judge ones difficulties and mistakes is a necessary step to removing that bit of of more subtle stress, as well quite a few other things.

It takes effort to reach the point where judging others is less reactive, and judging ourselves is even harder for some folks.  I think its okay to forgive someone for neither seeing that they are using more subtle judgment or actualizing that knowledge at whatever point they are along their way to knowing it and being able to. Because judging weather or not something is a type of judgment is also using the same impulse in yet another even more subtle way, I think it keeps going until it vanishes, what word to type, is judgment, we are not that subtle in conversation, but that doesn't invalidate the use of language.   These things take us all time, we can see them, but perhaps the young person getting their thesis written is not there yet. More young people who have respect for the teaching, who use their understanding in a way that makes it accessible to more people seems good to me.

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Re: A survey
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2018, 05:24:59 am »
The recognition (I see) of mistakes and difficulties is in itself judgement. This is an irrefutable component of consciousness. The judgement of that judgement is the cornerstone of suppressive systems of belief.
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Re: A survey
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2018, 12:37:38 pm »
The recognition (I see) of mistakes and difficulties is in itself judgement. This is an irrefutable component of consciousness. The judgement of that judgement is the cornerstone of suppressive systems of belief.

Would you mind expanding on your thinking about this a little? Perhaps sharing some insight into the rise and removal of this as you have experienced it?

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Re: A survey
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2018, 10:55:18 am »
The recognition (I see) of mistakes and difficulties is in itself judgement. This is an irrefutable component of consciousness. The judgement of that judgement is the cornerstone of suppressive systems of belief.

Would you mind expanding on your thinking about this a little? Perhaps sharing some insight into the rise and removal of this as you have experienced it?
If I may surmise that consciousness is awareness, and through that awareness we qualify our environment. Subjective and objective labeling is the sum of this qualifying action; in other word, judgement. Because we as humans are not only conscious, but also aware of our consciousness we have insight into other human's minds. We recognize that our own thought processes are like others.This opens the door for judgement of judgement. What will others think of me? What do I think of others? Ultimately blame and guilt arise laying the groundwork for suppression.
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