Author Topic: The 'side effects' of the meditation: why some people feel meditation is harmful  (Read 759 times)

Offline Arkena

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I read buddhist material when unknown to myself i was deeply disturbed and had bad mental health...buddhism was harmful to me then because when the unbalanced mentally ill mind reads...the world is an illusion it takes it literally and starts to doubt reality...its not too far a step from there to walk in front of a car cause you dont think it is real. I didnt get that mad but simply showing that to a disturbed mentally ill mind anything can be dangerous.

Meditation has helped me so much, i consider it most important part of my practice

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How do you personally meditate? What are the steps and activities involved? Couldn't saying just about anything to a mentally disturbed person set them off in a harmful way or be interpreted in a way that might be troublesome to them or others?

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If you go on youtube and look up a meditation video called Samadhi i wuite like meditating to that , it is a breath concentration type meditation.

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Couldn't saying just about anything to a mentally disturbed person set them off in a harmful way or be interpreted in a way that might be troublesome to them or others?

There are certain thngs more likely to trigger someone who is unstable ...things that can be interpreted in a very bad way if taken literally etc....basically their minds arent working properly and process things in a twisted and crazy way eg paranoia...

i encounter new age people who have mixed buddhist teachings with misunderstanding and ended up with crazy interpretations like the universe is a hologram and fundamentally matter doesnt exist it is a simulation of sorts. If someone doesnt have a firm grouding in reality they can believe all types of nonsense.

...you get people who loose perspective when playing games or children who are easily impressionable....and leads them to becoming violent. This is why there are age restrictions on violent films etc as it can have a harmful effect on children. I have seen my cousins become violent because they were exposed to violent films too early on.

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Alright, thank you. The idea that things are illusory is kind of common in Indian Philosophy, and with the internet, teachings of all sorts from all sorts of people are now widely available.

I know this might be controversial to say, but what if the looney tune people are right? What if when they go and get hit by a car, their "game" restarts at the point where they don't go that direction? Some might say, we are playing out various simulations or meditations or possibilities, that the thoughts we think might even matter in the same way that we think we ourselves matter.

Yeah, it would probably be dangerous to give hyper-reactive people prone to mis-construing or rather, taking action, ideas. I think it might be better to tell them "I think you are crazy and dangerous, and possibly might react to anything I say in the wrong way, and since I don't want blood on my hands, I'll refrain from saying anything to people I deem to be mad and incapable of sitting still when told about Maya or Illusion", I might not say it to their coocoo faces though.

I do try to avoid crazy people, but they seem to flock to me. So I say to them "not so fast, not so crazy". I might tell them, "I want you to take good care of yourself, your body, and do not be an extremist, even in moderation" but I haven't had much luck with mad people, except maybe keeping them around or out of prisons a little longer, imagining that to be somehow nicer than their deaths or that they are locked up.

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Meditation has helped me so much, i consider it most important part of my practice
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Isn't it astonishing that many people today assign much importance to physical fitness but totally neglect mental fitness? Meditation can be a good mental fitness training. Of course it has only temporary effects. If you stop the training the fitness deteriorates.
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Meditation has helped me so much, i consider it most important part of my practice
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Isn't it astonishing that many people today assign much importance to physical fitness but totally neglect mental fitness? Meditation can be a good mental fitness training. Of course it has only temporary effects. If you stop the training the fitness deteriorates.

So what aspect of Buddhismis your interest?

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Interesting that meditation has a powerful effect or indeed for some no apparant effect.

People are different (most of us have probably noticed)  :grouphug:

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Maybe different people are incapable of really doing the same things, so that no usage of the word meditation is alike. One would then find themselves completely alone regarding their meditation, unable to communicate how to achieve the impossible, meditation of a fork as a knife. People agree we likely look different and think different and have different outsides and insides, so why would one expect water to flow through a body making the same shapes and sounds as through another? The expectation seems false.

It can be said, no two people have ever meditated and received the sure news that someone else had also achieved what they did really. "You saw that as me?" No "I saw it as me". Is there anything we do share? Finding what we may share might help us find agreement. One of the first things we can realize and come to terms with in unity is none of us can access anything of the other at all, so we're off to a good start, already agreeing that any agreement is just a friendly convention like a back massage or a kind word.

 


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