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In regard of what or whom are you loyal? (Selfreflexion)
« on: August 09, 2017, 04:55:13 pm »
In regard of what are you able to claim being loyal? Whom are you loyal to? How far goes your loyalty? Where and how does it end?

The questions can go very deep, don't take the surface and answer to quick.

(Topic is not meant for discussions but just to use it to reflect and share this reflexion with fellows)
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Re: In regard of what or whom are you loyal? (Selfreflexion)
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2017, 06:56:05 pm »
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Re: In regard of what or whom are you loyal? (Selfreflexion)
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2017, 10:18:01 pm »
So the question actually is: what do you identify as self.

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Re: In regard of what or whom are you loyal? (Selfreflexion)
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2017, 11:40:13 pm »
If Grounds perception of the hardwood in this question really goes that far, it's certainly not wrong. So please.
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Re: In regard of what or whom are you loyal? (Selfreflexion)
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2017, 11:58:30 pm »
This is a really cool question, and I am appreciating Samana's new posting frequency and the overall activity on the website and people finally speaking up about various things. Lots of great and diverse ideas are starting to flow to help people to see that there are many different approaches that might be called Buddhist, which should be appropriate for a website called or considered Buddhist as well.

Even though the original post is a tool for self reflection, I think discussion on the matter can also help to further put the tool to use or show ways in which it might be used and what sort of answers one might come up with.

I take the question very seriously, because that is how to best use the tool, to actually think about it thoroughly and deeply.

"In regard of what are you able to claim being loyal?"

I am loyal to nothing and no one by will. Firstly, upon a surface exploration, I am loyal to things like loved ones, family, whatever, which really is loyalty to an idea of how I'd like to be, but ultimately, I am loyal to nothing in any way that I can hold on to. That is to say, if something clicked in my mind suddenly not to be loyal, I could not resist some sort of madness that thoroughly entrances me or my mind, and so my loyalty is only limited to what appears to be happening, what occurs to me to do and how to be, which is entirely changeable by whatever force determines such, the same force that brought about for example the Sun, is the same which brings about the various appearances, the states of mind, the actions, all of which are just like leaves blowing in the wind. We only experience a sense of control, we seem to only follow our minds. So we are unwittingly loyal to our minds, and unwillingly loyal to whatever has the most power over our experience which is inclusive of our thoughts.

So the truth is, I am loyal to no one and nothing in any way I can really control, I only do what I am made to do, like the sun, and my thoughts simply "pop up" based on whatever, ultimately based on the power which everything is based on anyway. If a thought popped into my head, I didn't make it consciously, I didn't choose the words or images consciously or carefully, I didn't do any of it, its like a sound in the woods.

So if suddenly I became convinced of such and such, or made to do such and such, then that would be what I am convinced of or do, none of it appears to be any doing of "mine", and finally, the "me" that I say I am, is just an instantaneous appearance "now", it may contain apparent memories, but there is no way to prove the appearance of reality now is not just sporadically generated and inclusive of such "memories". In other words, in a flash, you could be a Japanese woman in Ancient Japan, and if your "memories" also confirm this and nothing else, you would be entirely convinced without question if such is your experience, and flash and flash, and again another and another, and you wouldn't even know the better!

So we have nothing much to hold on to, nothing much to believe in, knowing that we are instantaneous moments complete, and told what we are told, believing what we are made to believe, moment by moment, inside and out.

So even though I love my loved ones, I can be made to hate them in an instant, and be totally convinced even that such is "how it has always been" as well. So I can't be loyal, nor can they be loyal to me.

Even so, one should strive to do good and hear good and be good as they can be, to achieve better and better states, but they will not be able to achieve such except if they are assisted by reality itself, by the power of reality itself, since they can't even control what occurs to them or in their mind or what they are about to think and how it appears.

"Whom are you loyal to?"

None, not even the Power.

"How far goes your loyalty?"

Not far at all, only as far as my current delusion.

"Where and how does it end?"

It can not be stopped except if Nature has targeted such and stops it.

"The questions can go very deep, don't take the surface and answer to quick."

You can answer as well, please, so people might learn.

"(Topic is not meant for discussions but just to use it to reflect and share this reflection with fellows)"


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Re: In regard of what or whom are you loyal? (Selfreflexion)
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2017, 12:44:21 am »
Some answers are not good to be given by a monk and would be even possible cause a fault (if being under the guardians of the status of Bhikkhu), yes, my person could answer but better to leave it like that.

Congratulation for bringing an answer on topic and your try and generosity for a honest reflexion. Stick with the question and reflect again if things seem to have changed.

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Re: In regard of what or whom are you loyal? (Selfreflexion)
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2017, 07:43:03 am »
Thank you, it was very good. I look forward to more of your writing!

 


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