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Offline ground

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Re: Book recommendations on mindfulness
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2017, 08:36:52 pm »
No Ground you dont understand how following non consistent views can help widen your perspective when pursued correctly...if  pursued incorrectly they lead to misunderstanding...
So you say that e.g. following both, the view 'phenomena are impermanent' and the view 'trees are permanent',  'widens your perspective' because you are following inconsistent views.  :lmfao:

this is certainly not a practice for beginners who are just learning one view/model...
No this certainly is a practice for irrationalists.  :teehee:

This is why modern psychologists learn different psychological models as they emphasise and understand things differently and some views may be better to understand certain situations. Why do you think psychologists and scientists learn different theories of the same topic if all this led to was confusion?
you are confusing 'inconsistency of views' with 'relative applicability of views depending on context'. When different views are applicable in different contexts then the views are not necessarily inconsistent. They are inconsistent only if they rely on contradictory general premises, i.e. premises independent of contexts.


Eckhart tolle's teachings on the now has had tremendous implications for my understanding of mindfulness and being...again that is my experience...you are relying on a theory as to how different views interact when pursued by one person.
Eckhart tolle's teachings is one system of thought. Since I do not know his system I can't say whether it is consistent or not. Provided it is consistent there are certainly other views of other people that are not consistent with respect to his system. And these views may be used as a basis for mindfulness which is inconsistent with his system of thought and practicing thus would be nonsense and block any progress.
It would be like resonating with the christian religious view of a soul but practicing buddhist mindfulness which is based on the view of anatta.

and as usual you like to point out where people are wrong because they dont subscribe to your views.
No it is not about my view because I know that everybody knows better than everybody else. But if people's views and practices are inconsistent they will never validly know for themselves but they will be bound to believe and doubt. That is why I am pointing out errors. I do not care what view people finally hold. And I do not care whether they prefer to believe and doubt over validly knowing. But if views are expressed in this forum then it may happen that I will respond and if I respond I will respond authentically.

Perhaps expressing your view without judging others as wrong/not understanding would lead to more harmony...besides...you cannot tell someone they they are wrong...you can only help them realise it for themselves...otherwise it just becomes a butting of heads.
It is not about persons, but it is about views. Harmony is fine but harmony that supports error is a poison.

Ground you clearly are moking my views, re stating my views then laughing at the end IS mocking.
I dont know why you think denying it is going to work, perhaps you think your some wise sage who would never do such a thing...your not, your a flawed human like all of us.
Of course  I am mocking your views but I am not mocking others which was what you asserted.  :fu:

The only poison I see is your intollerance for other peoples views when they dont conform to your narrow interpretation of Buddhism and what is correct. Who are you that thinks he can stand there and dictate what he thinks are errors? Do you think your a fountain from which only truth flows that you can stand there dictating what is truth? No one has come to this forum for your oppinions but to exchange ideas...not to see if their views measure up to your standards.
you are completely missing the point I made. Neither do I say 'buddhism is this' or 'buddhism is that', nor do I try to persuade people to change their views. I have merely pointed out the errors in your thinking.

...rather than clinging to your sectarian approach to Buddhism.
:lmfao:

To point out inconsistencies in my practice ...
I have pointed out the errors in your thinking that you have expressed here in this thread with your words. Not more, not less.

I wont bother reading your posts again...your a huge troll and a blight on the free exchange of ideas on this forum.
See that is the difference: while I am referring to your view and your thinking expressed with words you are aiming at the person.
But I am strongly advocating freedom of speech. So you are free to say whatever you like as you are free to read or to ignore as it pleases you.  :fu:
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Re: Book recommendations on mindfulness
« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2017, 09:00:28 pm »
Great job! It is really important to point out these things clearly. This sort of belligerent and rude attitude exists on all sorts of forums, political, religious, even comments on YouTube videos where people chime in with insults and mockery over muscle and fitness videos or even cat videos or make up videos, its just that people are frustrated deep down, they have been beaten up and beaten down all their lives, and are just pissed off.

They are hungry, cranky, ungrateful, tired, dissatisfied, they are suffering, and like any animal, when an animal is in pain, it tends to lash out, it tends to hiss and bite at and scratch everyone and everything no matter how kindly you approach it.

So what we are seeing in the world is a symptom, a reaction to pain.

Their laughter is not happy laughter like the way we might laugh at a good old fashioned fart joke, but rather, its a bitter laugh that is almost like a cry because they are stinging and stung.

What is stinging them is not you or me though really, its not even anything that happened in their past necessarily, its just the feeling of weakness, powerlessness, insecurity, not being safe, being threatened, not having an identity or being sure of it, not having a guarantee that anyone or anything loves them or supports them.

Even God or Nature seems to be working against them at every turn, and this makes everyone unhappy, why do we struggle? Why did that drop, why won't anyone listen? Sometimes it becomes so bad that we can't even believe someone could ever be our friend, being betrayed time and again, endless terror in our lives, we open the TV, again, mean interactions all around.

One of us HAS to STOP IT. One of us has to be the one who genuinely speaks the truth and says "you know what? That hurts, and I don't like being hurt, and lets be nice to each other if we can, lets learn, lets benefit, and if we can't, then lets fight honorably, lets point out how to make each other better and nicer, and if you won't, I'll do it, and if you refuse to follow me, then see which strategy wins in the end, which looks better and is more beneficial and noble, you may have prestige, but I may have the right sort of pride, pride that I did well in the face of troubles, that I spoke the truth, that I admitted to pain and suffering and asked for it to stop and worked against it". No? That is when you pull out your Machete and say "Listen M*therf*cker, You Twerp, I'll chop your arms off" haha just kidding, don't do that. Do the best you can!

But yes, these internet people are indeed twerps, often disabled, often in great pain, often mentally deficient, often socially retarded and tactless.

A person like me, who has always lived life like a prince, always been beautiful, always been loved (except by twerps online), has had such experiences as to give me a different perspective.

Being a Prince among men has allowed me to see things outside of the pain of being a brutish thug from a thugs brutish life of hostility. Here is why:

Because I am so beautiful and attractive, everyone just automatically gives me everything, they automatically like me and love me and adore me and want to help me. My voice is sweet and innocent and not threatening at all, everything is gentle and cute and friendly, so I've gotten away with practically everything, from even the most aggressive and violent bullies and government agencies even.

That tells you something. It tells you that some people have it hard, and some people are born lucky. It tells you that all your skill in language and knowledge can not save you when the world is truly superficial and petty, that everything we say is largely meaningless rubbish, except how we care and love and show compassion and virtue, its all "Pure Appearance (a book you can look up)" and its all just vain photography.

People are RACIST, SEXIST, PREJUDICED, BIASED. They give me everything, special privileges and "unfair" advantage because of my "fair and beautiful" appearance. I win before the game has even started! To top it off, I have amazing tact, amazing linguistic skills, and I'm manipulative as hell. Everything works in my advantage, as a Prince among men. Yet this peaceful and happy station and position "above" people, has given me the perspective of seeing pain (you can bet the Buddha sounds sexy as well), and in seeing the plight of people, seeing how we are really just like animals, how we really just make sounds and its only a miracle we think we know what each is talking about, we should be just, but with a justice tempered with mercy.

These people are born deficient with troubled lives. If they were not living such troubled lives, they might have developed into better characters, but instead, they were born with broken bodies, brains, and hearts, in a sort of "hell state", where I got all the toys, had all the love in the world, all the advantages (Think of the story of the Buddha), these people were singing the song from Annie.

That also means, there is nothing so amazing or of great value about me either, I was given cheat codes these people were not given (all that I'm saying has a specific psychological purpose, this is all a "thought program" to run through and see what issues it brings up, its purpose is therapeutic meditation).

When you are on top, when your heart is superior, you do not kick and trample those inferior, but you reach out to help them ascend, because they too can be great, potentially, and we hold out hope for that, that they may start to imitate the best, but first they need to cover their bases, they need to believe that things can be better, that they aren't just trapped being the entirely disgusting ugly person in the mirror they say every day, the nerd, the loser, who even their parents would probably sell and no one loves them at all.

If we can be a friend to someone, a good presence, it might inspire them. We can say to them in all honesty then "You look so freaking ugly to me, I hate your f*cking stupid face, you nerd, but I will try to help you to become better, because I want whatever it is you are now, to die forever, I want you to be admirable and great, this is how you can do it in my opinion". Certainly they will snarl, because of their nasal problems too, the problems are un-ending for them.

Our problems are less than their problems, because we're sexy, our sh*t almost smells good, and we're entirely glamorous, and where we are not, we're workin' on it diligently!

So here is how to be an ideal human being and gain advantages over people in real life and also online:

Figure out how to look as attractive as possible, cute, innocent, harmless, symmetrical, not weird, very much the perfect beauty.

Be physically clean at all times, ritualistically clean, clean anus, clean crotch and genitals, clean armpits, no smell, no disregarding the care of your body or ascetic decay.

Wear innocuous clothes that give an impression of cleanliness and even wealth, do not look like a dirty hippy or fall into any sorts of stereotypes in any extremes.

Speak in a gentle and friendly sincere and bubbly sort of way with sincere enthusiasm and talk to people like they are your own intimates, your own closest friend even if you have just met them, and speak from the heart like you would to your deepest and dearest love or your pet or baby. Do not put on a show, and keep a glow and intensity in your eyes which is engaging and hypnotic. When people feel they are liked, they are even less hostile usually, except the many mentally deficient people who need some time to wear down with these tactics.

Make sure you are totally taken care of and well kept, nice hygiene, hair kept nicely, not oily and giving any indicators of being a dirty "troll" like the "villains (see the etymology)" of the world.

The villains of the world had no voice as widespread as they do now, now the floodgate is opened to their opinions and ideas and brutishness, and they have come out of the woodwork, limping and skittering onto every computer to shout out their cries of pain and frustration with everything and all the world and take their vengeance on anything at all. In the past, villagers were limited to complaining in their villages among themselves, but now their "really smart" ideas can be heard practically anywhere and be widely publicized internationally.

(I am specifically trying to keep taking swipes at them to bring out inferiority complexes people may have, a person who has truly overcome many evil things will not find any of this offensive, this separates the true Aryans and Arahant Hearts from the people who are actually possessing dangerous complexes, which can show up in the form of genuine snobbery which I'm satirizing, and also in the great feeling to "put a person in their place!" which can be a type of hubris (in its original meaning of wanting to cut people down to bring oneself up higher or put people down for the purpose of causing suffering to enjoy some sort of feeling better about oneself, pointing the fingers and accusing in order to not point the finger at oneself).

A good person, takes great joy in making people happy, is strained by causing unhappiness, but regardless, does and says what they believe is most right and most good for people, they care, even theoretically, enough that they reach out to people in order to try to help always.

So one can forgive the tactlessness of those lacking eloquence and skill and even knowledge, who have idiotic ideas, little knowledge of history or strategy, and are belligerent and hostile due to innate frustration causing them to constantly be annoying.

If we can identify the areas of pain, maybe we can offer them solutions, but like mad hungry babies, they might hit it away until they are very desperate.

Desperate is what anyone needs to understand (you don't need to actually become a starving bum, you can just simulate it if you have the right sort of mind). In desperation, OH MANGIRL LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT DESPERATION!

When we are desperate, truly, truly at the bottom, truly, truly, at the last straw, MY GOD.

My God we are grateful, for every little drop, for every little help, for even cruelties which end up being kind or giving us a little of something. Desperation. Then any smile truly counts and isn't taken for granted, it means the world, when you're at the END OF THE WORLD.

Fallen, Failed, and even beyond crying, when the tears have turned to sand coming out of your eyes now, when its all reached the Wall of Death and your heart simply beats and there is nothing more you can do, and then good comes, however small, you could weep joyfully forever.

So this is what it is. Ungratefulness.

Ungrateful for each other, for the time we have to spend with each other, for the words we hear and give to each other or can. We take for granted that we even can talk to each other, that we can even honor each other with each other. We take it all for granted and treat each other like crap, and kick away every effort, every gesture, because WE ARE RICH. We get so much of it, we think it will last forever, that we'll never be desperate, there is so much air, so much water, so many people with their opinions, that we do not honor our interactions at all, we don't try to treat people like our families because we have families already and these people are excluded.

So there are some things we can all think about. I probably won't though. I'll be the first bad guy, you be the first good one!

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Re: Book recommendations on mindfulness
« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2017, 09:10:19 pm »
So when you talk to ground, imagine ground were the only person left on Earth to talk to, and then see how that might change your interaction with him. Imagine that ground were inescapable, that no matter where you turn or try to run off to, there was ground. What then would you do? How then would you talk to ground? If you couldn't get away and had to face them and resolve things.

This can be true in many ways, as the things we might try to avoid in one way, sometimes seem to pop up in another way. Its best to make the best of what comes our way when we can, sometimes a mouse can turn into a rat, and a rat into a dragon if we keep looking away.

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« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2017, 06:33:55 pm »


Yuttadhammo Bhikkhu has some great teachings and books on mindfulness.

https://www.sirimangalo.org/text/how-to-meditate/

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« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2017, 01:03:12 am »
The best of all books from a Theravada perspective is Bhikkhu Analayo's Satipatthana-The-Direct-Path-to-Realization which you may download here:
http://www.abhayagiri.org/media/discs/APasannoRetreats/2013%20Fourth%20Foundation%20of%20Mindfulness/Sources/Analayo_Satipatthana-The-Direct-Path-to-Realization.pdf
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« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2017, 09:20:18 am »
The best of all books from a Theravada perspective is Bhikkhu Analayo's Satipatthana-The-Direct-Path-to-Realization which you may download here:
http://www.abhayagiri.org/media/discs/APasannoRetreats/2013%20Fourth%20Foundation%20of%20Mindfulness/Sources/Analayo_Satipatthana-The-Direct-Path-to-Realization.pdf


Why do you think it is best?

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« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2017, 06:46:48 pm »
The best of all books from a Theravada perspective is Bhikkhu Analayo's Satipatthana-The-Direct-Path-to-Realization which you may download here:
http://www.abhayagiri.org/media/discs/APasannoRetreats/2013%20Fourth%20Foundation%20of%20Mindfulness/Sources/Analayo_Satipatthana-The-Direct-Path-to-Realization.pdf


This is good.  Thanks ground.

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Re: Book recommendations on mindfulness
« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2017, 02:13:06 pm »
Can someone direct me to a page or pages on this website that link tons of pdf files on Buddhism? I can try to click them and download them on my phone.

 


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