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Transcendental Meditation - Is It Just Clever Marketing?
« on: May 05, 2013, 09:10:20 pm »
A ton of celebrities have given praise to this "Transcendental Meditation" technique. I tried searching around for it to see exactly what the meditation is, and it seems like there is no info out there on what it actually entails. You need to enroll in a very costly course in order to learn how to do it. From what I've gathered, it is basically just reciting a mantra until you feel a bit drowsy. For some reason though, it has a cult-like following.

Then I realized that Transcendental Meditation has that special "®" next to it. Is this just basic meditation that someone is trying to capitalize off of through clever marketing? I think it's horrible that one would try to make money off of teaching a form of meditation.

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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2013, 10:20:15 pm »
Nowadays, this kind of stuff is more and more. Somehow the practitioners are inside in their own mystical fantasy.

This is what I see from newage group.

It is same with the commercial yoga. In my personal opinion, they are not teaching yoga, but teaching aerobic exercise with yoga movement.

The main point of yoga is training the mind, but in commercial yoga, the main point is more to my bending posture is better than yours. But for the mind aspect, it is zero.

Even they train the mind, it is the training of mystical fantasy.
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Re: Transcendental Meditation - Is It Just Clever Marketing?
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2013, 04:11:26 am »
A ton of celebrities have given praise to this ...
So if you want to be a celebrity you know what to do  :teehee:

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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2013, 06:17:10 pm »
A ton of celebrities have given praise to this "Transcendental Meditation" technique. I tried searching around for it to see exactly what the meditation is, and it seems like there is no info out there on what it actually entails. You need to enroll in a very costly course in order to learn how to do it. From what I've gathered, it is basically just reciting a mantra until you feel a bit drowsy. For some reason though, it has a cult-like following.

Then I realized that Transcendental Meditation has that special "®" next to it. Is this just basic meditation that someone is trying to capitalize off of through clever marketing? I think it's horrible that one would try to make money off of teaching a form of meditation.

Well, you have to keep the lights on somehow.  How do you think that organizations like this stay in business?

That said, I agree that $1500 for a couple hours is excessive.

You could learn similar meditation techniques -  samatha/vispassyana in any number of meditations centers free of charge.  If you wanted to learn meditative practices involving mantra recitation you could get that, too, although you might have to become a member of the center and pay dues in order to receive advanced instruction.

You're not likely to find proper and complete instruction in meditation technique anywhere outside a one-on-one setting.  It's very difficult, if not impossible, to teach someone meditation in print or some other media.

There's plenty of info on TM out there, not just the technique.  But then you won't find a great deal on any meditation technique.

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Re: Transcendental Meditation - Is It Just Clever Marketing?
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2013, 02:28:14 am »
Then I realized that Transcendental Meditation has that special "®" next to it. Is this just basic meditation that someone is trying to capitalize off of through clever marketing?

I think it's fine to charge for meditation classes and courses to cover the costs, but I agree that teaching meditation with a view to making a profit seems somewhat dubious.  Maybe this is partly a reflection of a market economy, where everything is seen as a "product" to be bought and sold?

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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2013, 05:18:37 am »
Go ahead make my day


It is Japa/mantra meditation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japa

Benefits? Yes. Spiritual path comparable to Buddhism? No.

http://www.wildmind.org/mantras

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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2013, 05:50:52 am »
Benefits? Yes. Spiritual path comparable to Buddhism? No.

I'm not sure Nichiren Buddhists would agree with you, as chanting is their main practice. :wink1:
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2013, 03:55:22 pm »
I can see how transcendental meditation works ...  :)

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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2018, 11:10:51 am »
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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2018, 10:38:56 am »
 :) Hello.

My late guru H.H. Shankaracharya Gaddi Swami Swanandashram, knew Mahesh Yogi personally for many years. In 1981 upon returning with Swami-ji from meditating in Gangotri Himalayas, I attempted to visit Mahesh Yogi's ashram in Rishikesh, but the line of mostly Western people waiting to get in was entirely too long. Of course even 37 years ago there was a ticket-fee associated with that (transcendental?) experience. LOL

Although Swami-ji would not speak poorly of Mahesh Yogi, he smiled and rather tongue in cheek said, "some people simply believe they must pay money for anything of value. The more money, the more valuable. And so they must". No doubt the Maharishi knew this too.

By contrast however and what appealed to me back then- even though Swami-ji was appointed Gaddi Swami of the Kashmir math (one of the Papal seats of the Shankaracharya order), he continued to live a simple, unpretentious and secluded life. He never sought or expected a penny from anyone during the 17 years I knew and studied with him here in America. He taught at Berkeley in the 1960's and had been a spiritual advisor to India's first Prime Minister, Jawaharlal Nehru and to the Queen of Holland.  :anjali:

 
Upon reflection, I feel as though my dear friends here deserve at minimum a humble explanation.

Suiseki: (Water and Stone), is a "True man of no rank" Zen and literati name (gago). It was presented to me in 1981 by my Zen and Shodo (calligraphy) teacher, the late Reiun Sensei.

I am humbled and profoundly fortunate to have had several superlative teachers, guides and true spiritual friends. "Swami-ji", the late His Holiness Shankaracharya of Kashmir Gaddi Swami Swanandashram, graced my personal presence here in America for 17 years.

Swami-ji guided me in the Yoga tradition of Sanatana Dharma (Hinduism), specifically non-dual (Advaita Vedanta) philosophy. He named me Madan Mohan, although I prefer to remain religion-free to this day.

May we share here collectively in our individual spiritual plight with humility, respect, compassion and sincerity. :)

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Re: Transcendental Meditation - Is It Just Clever Marketing?
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2019, 09:33:47 pm »
The T.M."secret mantras" became public knowledge some years ago, by court order due to lawsuits.

T.M. mantras have never been individually assigned on a transcendental basis, as claimed.

With some few exceptions they are still assigned according to the student's age (and years ago, sometimes by gender, as well) - as listed below.

I lost my original teacher's list, on which the mantras were all Sanskrit bija mantras as assigned under Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's leadership.  It was the "secret list" vs the "public story" that precipitated my leaving the teacher training and leaving the whole thing altogether.

The mantras below are not all actual bijas.

Pronunciation somewhat follows Sanskrit, but not entirely.
"Ng" is always as in "eNGlish"
"M" is always as in "Mother"
"Ie" is always as in "hE Ate"
"Sh" is always as in "SHine" (never the softer "sh" as in German's "sprechen".


AGE                                   MANTRA

0-11                                     eng
12-13                                   em
14-15                                   enga
16-17                                   ema
18-19                                   ieng
20-21                                   iem
22-23                                   ienga
24-25                                   iema
26-29                                   shirim
30-34                                   shiring
35-39                                   kirim
40-44                                   kiring
45-49                                   hirim
50-64                                   hiring
65-69                                   sham
70+                                     shama


"Advanced" T.M. mantras are assigned by level of training, as listed below.
("Namah" is always pronounced "nama-ha")

Level - Mantra

1st       Aing Namah

2nd      Shri Aing Namah

3rd       Shri Aing Namah Namah

4th       Shri Shri Aing Namah Namah

5th       Shri Shri Aing Aing Namah Namah

6th       Shri Shri Aing Aing Namah Namah (given a 2nd time)



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Re: Transcendental Meditation - Is It Just Clever Marketing?
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2019, 09:49:42 pm »
Benefits? Yes. Spiritual path comparable to Buddhism? No.

I'm not sure Nichiren Buddhists would agree with you, as chanting is their main practice. :wink1:

As a practitioner of Pure Land Buddhism, I respectfully disagree with Lobster's opinion.
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