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Offline zerwe

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Debate specific threads
« on: May 26, 2010, 07:08:35 pm »
Guys would it be possible to have a debate specific thread? It would take some guidelines being set, probably some refereeing, and some discipline by the participants. This is copy of an earlier post where Tashi brought up the idea. I think it would be great. :D
 
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Quote from: TashiNyima on Today at 09:46:48 AM
Dear Friends

om svasti

Debate is a time-honored tradition, apparently honored even (or especially) by liberals. Perhaps we just need to understand that the object of debate (at least traditionally) is truth, not victory. The reverse (seeking victory, not truth) is something else.

Please consider: if one is truly agnostic (literally, 'not-knowing') the reasonable posture is to listen, reflect, and meditate on what others have to say from the perspective of their knowledge and experience. Insistent and forceful argumentation in defense of not-knowing seems a bit unreasonable.

If i do not know (and the extent of my own ignorance is practically infinite), i will listen respectfully to those whose arguments are based on lengthy study, reflection, meditation, and experience. If i am unconvinced, i will look elsewhere. Just because i do not understand something does not mean necessarily that it has not been proven conclusively.

It occurs to me that a little study of pramana, as presented by Dignaga and exemplified by Ju Mipham, might be helpful. Some of us are attempting to contribute to these threads according to the rules of pramana, while others are presenting their own doubts as valid objections to logically consistent formulations.

Would there be interest in discussing the fundamentals of pramana?

Please forgive any unintended offense.

mangalam

 Tashi, I think that this would be an incredible idea. We have threads designated as Info only, Resource only, Polls, and others for Opinion, etc... I think it would be nice to actually have Threads where topics are Debate only and adhere to the expectations of "debate." I think some guidelines would need to be set, it would likely need to be moderately refereed, and the outcome would be much more constructive to all engaged. Perhaps, we can petition the moderators to help facilitate such a referendum. Rainbow Dharma Wheel Rainbow Dharma Wheel Rainbow Dharma Wheel

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Re: Debate specific threads
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2010, 07:33:59 pm »
Click here to visit the site's Buddhist Dialectics forum.

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Laura

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Re: Debate specific threads
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2010, 07:54:10 pm »
Click here to visit the site's Buddhist Dialectics forum.

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Laura
Thanks, Laura. The Dialectics forum is definitely a good place to start. However, what I was asking was if it would be possible to have threads that followed a set of debate guidelines.  TashiNyima has suggested fashioning such guidelines after the fundamentals of pramana (debate 'in the time-honored Tibetan tradition') Hopefully, this would be a step beyond the originator of the thread just requesting that everyone follow the rules. Would it be possible to really facilitate this type of debate on FreeSangha? This is new to me, but I thought that it would be fantastic. I think that the Danger Zone is a good place for people to voice from the side of opinion and 'just duke it out.' But, would it be possible to have  this type of structured setting? I know that this would be almost entirely up to the users, but I am sure that it would require some oversight by the moderators.

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Re: Debate specific threads
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2010, 09:19:51 am »
Hi Zerwe,

As long as you state the style of debate you're using at the beginning of the thread, any form of debate is welcome in that forum.

The originator of that section is no longer here, btw so we won't be enforcing only those guidelines.  But I believe he always did welcome all styles of debate.

Best,
Laura  :)

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Re: Debate specific threads
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2010, 09:34:22 am »
We should consider changing the rules of the debate forum though, so it shows that it's more flexible.

Thanks for your kind suggestions, I'll notify the moderators that it would be a good idea to open it up a bit more for all kinds of formal debate.

Best,
Laura

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Re: Debate specific threads
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2010, 09:39:22 am »
All threads are for debate unless someone wants to, for example, post some info, in which case once they have done so we can make it a 'sticky' so that it is always at the top of that section.

For debates on topics which are likely to get warm, such as rebirth, vegetarianism and cults we have the Danger Zone.  It was established specifically to allow more robust debate with lighter Moderation.

Our rules for debate are simple - Right Speech, and especially no trashing of the schools, practices etc. of others, no ad homs etc..

If, however, a Mod wants to establish and watch threads with even more rules, for which we would have no sanctions in the case of breaches of those rules btw, I've no objection.  :)

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Re: Debate specific threads
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2010, 09:47:28 am »
All threads are for debate unless someone wants to, for example, post some info, in which case once they have done so we can make it a 'sticky' so that it is always at the top of that section.

For debates on topics which are likely to get warm, such as rebirth, vegetarianism and cults we have the Danger Zone.  It was established specifically to allow more robust debate with lighter Moderation.

Our rules for debate are simple - Right Speech, and especially no trashing of the schools, practices etc. of others, no ad homs etc..

If, however, a Mod wants to establish and watch threads with even more rules, for which we would have no sanctions in the case of breaches of those rules btw, I've no objection.  :)

Hi Yeshe,

If I understand where you're going, I agree entirely.  The fewer rules for both members and moderators to remember, the better!  I think we have enough forums and enough rules.  If someone wants to practice a particular style debate and someone else wants to engage in it, that's cool and they can do the discussion in the debate forum.  But nobody could expect the moderation team to be schooled in all forms of debate, we'll just enforce the normal ToS.

This is my understanding of having a specific debate forum, anyhow.

Best,
Laura

 


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