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« on: April 25, 2010, 03:34:45 pm »
 I see that the photo I posted illustrating a neural tube defect has been removed. If I am not allowed to post graphic medical pictures to illustrate a point, why is Caz allowed to? I notice HIS illustration of a grotesque cancer has been permitted to stand un editted. Maybe it's ok to step on my sacred cow but not on his?
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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2010, 03:41:47 pm »
I see that the photo I posted illustrating a neural tube defect has been removed. If I am not allowed to post graphic medical pictures to illustrate a point, why is Caz allowed to? I notice HIS illustration of a grotesque cancer has been permitted to stand un editted. Maybe it's ok to step on my sacred cow but not on his?

You may have missed the advice to report a post with a pic you find offensive rather than post one yourself. ;)

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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2010, 03:43:26 pm »
I see that the photo I posted illustrating a neural tube defect has been removed. If I am not allowed to post graphic medical pictures to illustrate a point, why is Caz allowed to? I notice HIS illustration of a grotesque cancer has been permitted to stand un editted. Maybe it's ok to step on my sacred cow but not on his?

You may have missed the advice to report a post with a pic you find offensive rather than post one yourself. ;)



Yup, missed that, you got it in one.  :-P


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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2010, 04:59:12 pm »
Well, I reported the picture, but nothing is happening. It seems that's its ok to post stomach churning photos so long as they support the party line.
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Re: Photo removed
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2010, 07:30:15 pm »
Hi catmoon,

I've looked for the photo in question, but all I know is Caz posted it and there's no link.  I'm out of the loop, please pardon my ignorance.  Could you please post a link to the thread or the post?

Thanks  :)
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« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2010, 07:49:01 pm »
Are you talking about the cancer photo?  It's.....(wait)...

Found it: 

http://www.freesangha.com/forums/index.php?topic=1259.msg17099;topicseen#new

Personally, _ think such photos are very motivating and as such beneficial.  Remember, (you) get the same objections to pictures of fetuses being ripped apart.  Funny (we) never got any complaints about photos used in charnel meditations.
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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2010, 08:03:39 pm »
Thanks Ron, I've seen the photo now.

Catmoon, is the photo upsetting you?  I know that for me, as a smoker, it's hard to see.  I don't necessarily want it removed it but it makes me sad about what I'm doing to my body.

I'll bring the subject up to with moderators of that forum.  But I just want to be clear if the issue is that your photo was removed, or if the issue is that this picture is upsetting.

Thanks and kind wishes,
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Re: Photo removed
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2010, 08:57:25 pm »
Are you talking about the cancer photo?  It's.....(wait)...

Found it:  

http://www.freesangha.com/forums/index.php?topic=1259.msg17099;topicseen#new

Personally, _ think such photos are very motivating and as such beneficial.  Remember, (you) get the same objections to pictures of fetuses being ripped apart.  Funny (we) never got any complaints about photos used in charnel meditations.


If such photos are very motivational and beneficial, then why are mine not allowed while others are?


If such photos are not motivational or beneficial, then why are they allowed at all?


There are many people such as myself who find all such photos repugnant and even nauseating. As a matter of fact, it was for those very reasons my photo was removed. I recall there being complaints about charnel ground photos, and find it very interesting that others do not.

I do not think yellow journalism is a worthy pursuit for a Buddhist board.
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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2010, 09:33:48 pm »
So would you be OK with removing the first photo then? That throat growth. I can agree that it's a bit disturbing. However the one with the lungs, I would say that you can find similar pictures in any school to prevent kids from starting smoking, so I hope you're OK with us leaving that one.
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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2010, 09:45:46 pm »
I have no issue with grotesque photos so long as they abide by legal conditions for our young members.  That is no pornography/extreme violence rated R is recommended for teens present on the site.

Given the context, the photo illustrated, I did not see catmoon's it was removed by the time I checked, but Caz's is neither pornographic nor violent in nature.  It is the result of a condition from a series of choices made by a smoker.  I don't know what the picture of the babies was but if it was neither pornographic nor violent in nature, why would it be removed?  If it is that disturbing, if you're not comfortable, don't post it, link it.  Caz can do the same.

If you don't mind linking me the picture that was horrific about the fetus, we can keep swapping horrific photos of baby cows killed horribly so maybe we eat less beef, or maybe we can see what second hand smoke does to a fetus or a child, sure.  Horror is part of life.  We cannot shield people from reflecting on the muck that makes the mud.  This is what makes realization occur.  For images --so long as it meets legal conditions (pornography/violence and minors) just disclaim and state your reasons for posting the picture.  

While I find the picture very sad, that caz posted, hey, I could post some blasters on STDs on what happens when you have unprotected sex, these are images we were shown as students in school.  Guess what.  Makes you rethink doing it unprotected or with people you don't know so well.  *shudder*  But given previous conditions of legality and clauses of pornography and minors, it wouldn't be appropriate.
 
I think a deformed fetus might be a great motivator to take good care of your body while pregnant.  

Yes, these things are horrific to behold, but aren't we trying to understand our intense aversions as well?

Vegetarianism is an attempt to save life.  Smoking is not.  The key distinction is essential.  Intention.  By posting horrendous pictures of a fetus from vegetarianism--what is the intention of said horror?  What are you trying to say, vegetarianism is bad?  Here's what happens when you're B12 deficient?  Fine, it happens.  So you need to educate yourself about how you eat, duh.  There is no study showing smoking is GOOD.  There are also benefits to vegetarianism there are none to smoking.  The distinction is the difference between Right Intention and Wrong Intention.   I don't see a problem with keeping medical pictures (as these are what these are), it's good to KNOW what happens to you or those you love when you are mindless and indulge an addiction.  Vegetarianism is not an addiction.  Like anything, people need to educate themselves about their choices, and having pictures to graphically remind us of what our mindlessness is capable of generating is nothing short of sane.  It helps you keep a certain perspective.  Maybe warn the viewer in the subject line.  Pictures not for weak stomachs or something...

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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2010, 09:52:13 pm »
So would you be OK with removing the first photo then? That throat growth. I can agree that it's a bit disturbing. However the one with the lungs, I would say that you can find similar pictures in any school to prevent kids from starting smoking, so I hope you're OK with us leaving that one.


Yes I would consider that fair. What I am really after is consistency here, and I find your suggestion reasonably consistent. Or put em all back, but that leaves the door wide open as you can see from OC's post. Do that and the site may start to resemble rotten.com more than is comfortable.
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2010, 09:56:09 pm »
So maybe we should make a new policy then, that in the future disturbing pictures should be linked in such a way that you have to click a link to see them, and that link should warn about the content. I don't have a veto or anything but I do not want to see images of medical abnormalities all over the boards. Puppies OK. Dead babies not OK.
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Re: Photo removed
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2010, 10:03:45 pm »
I do not think yellow journalism is a worthy pursuit for a Buddhist board.


You might want to ease up on the accusations.  The photo was removed as soon as the appropriate moderator figured out how to take it down.  Wonky Badger has offered to think about an equitable solution.  We are all learning here.

As for a "party line" -- never got that memo.  Or did you mean this kind?:






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Re: Photo removed
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2010, 10:05:12 pm »
So maybe we should make a new policy then, that in the future disturbing pictures should be linked in such a way that you have to click a link to see them, and that link should warn about the content. I don't have a veto or anything but I do not want to see images of medical abnormalities all over the boards. Puppies OK. Dead babies not OK.


Actually I'm not completely sure the baby in question was dead, although I grant you it is highly probable. But anyhow, in my worthless opinion, the board policy is getting more reasonable all the time. One could make the argument Ron did, that such images are beneficial because they shake up our complacency about life, but I will surely not be the one to make such an argument!


Oh, and just to show I'm back to being a good board citizen.....


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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2010, 10:06:09 pm »
Actually, I would prefer if all said grossness was moved to the DZ.   For the sake of harmony, it's still visually controversial material, those hating it and those being motivated by it. We have plenty of Melodharma there.  And the DZ is not viewable by guests now giving the exchanges a bit of privacy among FreeSangha members.

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So would you be OK with removing the first photo then? That throat growth. I can agree that it's a bit disturbing. However the one with the lungs, I would say that you can find similar pictures in any school to prevent kids from starting smoking, so I hope you're OK with us leaving that one.


Yes I would consider that fair. What I am really after is consistency here, and I find your suggestion reasonably consistent. Or put em all back, but that leaves the door wide open as you can see from OC's post. Do that and the site may start to resemble rotten.com more than is comfortable.
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