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RE a small blowup
« on: July 28, 2010, 02:33:54 pm »


It's starting to look like there is a general misapprehension of the nature of some of my recent remarks. I am concerned that there may be those who think I have been been trying to paint someone as a hopeless moron.

In fact, there is just a small disagreement over a small point of practice and that's it. All the rest is exaggeration. My comments in no way negate said person's exemplary practice, general kindness, and hard work in the service of others.

And no, this is not a complaint about the moderators or their actions.
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Re: RE a small blowup
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2010, 07:25:01 pm »
Thank you for your concern, that is very thoughtful. This situation has been like the allegory of the blind men trying to describe an elephant. I don't think any of us knew the whole
 picture, but we all have a desire to do the right thing.

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Re: RE a small blowup
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2010, 07:31:31 pm »
No worries Catmoon, The warning will soon expire and things will get back to normal.  :namaste:
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Re: RE a small blowup
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2010, 08:01:36 pm »
But the scars will remain for ever!

I recall one fall afternoon I was jogging by a neighbors house and their old hound dog was patrolling her yard and decided to take a bite of my right leg.  I had done nothing to her.  She just thought that I was too close to her territory and represented a threat, perhaps to her family.  I really don't know what the dog was thinking.  But, I know in my heart that she was just doing her job.

So it is also with ruffled feathers and skin penetration on these boards.  What one thinks is fun and a perfectly OK means of communication, another finds offensive and requires a bight to set things straight.  But, I can tell you for a fact, that all bights are remembered for a life-time.  The dog bit me over twenty years ago in another State, and in another life, but I still remember and to this day have a great deal of respect for the territory of old dogs, not quite in control of their protective reflexes, and which have a deep sense of responsibility and dedication to their duty.

In the same way I have a great deal of respect for moderators who bight, especially the ones just doing their job and who are dedicated to their duty.   :wink1:
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2010, 02:01:07 am »
General misapprehension?  The incident must have generated more discussion than I thought.

I don't think the words used were misapprehended.  They were repeated and appeared on threads.

But those words may well have resulted from exaggeration of something which did not warrant escalation.

I saw that a monk declared a practice to be one which carried the danger of being undertaken for pleasure rather than enlightenment.  He used the phrase 'mental masturbation' which I have checked on Google and seems to mean precisely that - mental processes undertaken for pleasure.

Telling a senior monk  (DK is a Dharma Regent and lineageholder)  that his head was up his ass, and repeating it on a thread, caused him to leave. He felt disrespected by an 'upasaka',  which I what I would expect him to feel.   If a senior monk spoke words to you in person which you found upsetting, would you treat them as you did DK? Or would you question your own practice?

I hope it blows over quickly and that DK returns in good health, I hope lots of things may come to pass, but I have to say that from my viewpoint, writing as a member not a Mod, you were not misunderstood by those I've discussed it with.  
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Re: RE a small blowup
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2010, 04:55:03 am »
I am reminded of the delicacy of the lowly cobweb.  There it sits, resplendent in the sun, shimmering all the more for the dew which lenses and reflects the morning light as the sun comes over the horizon in The East.  Delicate it truly is, but evidential of the lurking eight-eyed-monster, the hungry spider.

The spider's web destroyed by the playful finger of a child, the eight-eyed-monster runs away, but only to return when the playful child has gone.  For this is the way of the spider, and of playful children.

In just such a way some sit waiting for the unwary, the innocent, the unattended of mind to enter their life-space.  Like the eight-eyed-monster, the spider, they stake out their territory with a web, and anyone who enters, perceived to be disturbing their space is attacked, or if so powerful that they can destroy their delusions of power, my web,  they run away.

So, I often ask myself:  "Which am I when disturbed, when someone has entered my space?"  "Am I the spider that attacks and sucks the juices of my victim?"  "Or, am I the eight-eyed-monster, which, when recognizing that what my web has caught is far more powerful than me retreats, runs away?"

I have decided that it is better to be neither a spider nor a playful child; to check my feelings before acting, finding a place free of feelings from which to be attached and remain silent. :lipsseald:
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What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: RE a small blowup
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2010, 05:09:31 am »
I am reminded of the delicacy of the lowly cobweb.  There it sits.  Resplendent in the sun, shimmering all the more for the dew which lenses and reflects the morning light as the sun comes over the horizon in The East.  Delicate it truly is, but evidential of the lurking eight-eyed-monster, the hungry spider.

The spider's web destroyed by the playful finger of a child, the eight-eyed-monster runs away, but only to return when the playful child has gone.  For this is the way of the spider, and of playful children.

In just such a way some sit waiting for the unwary, the innocent, the unattended of mind to enter their life-space.  Like the eight-eyed-monster, the spider, they stake out their territory with a web, and anyone who enters, perceived to be disturbing their space is attacked, or if so powerful that they can destroy their delusions of power, my web,  they run away.

So, I often ask myself:  "Which am I when disturbed, when someone has entered my space?"  "Am I the spider that attacks and sucks the juices of my victim?"  "Or, am I the eight-eyed-monster, which, when recognizing that what my web has caught is far more powerful than me and run away?"

I have decided that it is better to be neither a spider nor a playful child; to check my feelings before acting, finding a place free of feelings from which to be attached and remain silent. :lipsseald:
This net is for both children and spiders and for all other beings for that matter, and we have tried to set up rules so that they may all co-exist peacefully . If one just stays mindful of what one writes here, the net won't be destroyed, the children won't be bitten and the spiders neither attack or run. And I'm not labeling anyone specific as neither child or spider here...
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Re: RE a small blowup
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2010, 05:55:16 am »
I am reminded of the monk who saw a woman across the river being attacked by thieves.  Having the best of intentions, the monk jumped into the river, which unfortunately was swollen from the monsoon season's rains and was flowing down the river-bed at one hundred times its average velocity.  Swept away, the monk was, ...intentions and all.

Just so we intend to be fair to all those around us and to set rules which preserve the beneficial interactions of all.  However, like a fast-flowing, swollen river, we sometimes get swept away by emotions, especially those to which we have become attached.

Judgments should never be made with emotion, else like the monk, we will be swept away by them, intentions and all.
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: RE a small blowup
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2010, 05:57:39 am »
We're all less important than we think.
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Re: RE a small blowup
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2010, 06:18:13 am »
I have decided that it is better to be neither a spider nor a playful child; to check my feelings before acting, finding a place free of feelings from which to be attached and remain silent. :lipsseald:

I take it this was an afterthought to your post?

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Re: RE a small blowup
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2010, 06:20:11 am »
We're all less important than we think.

This isn't entirely correct.  I am actually more important than I think or than anyone knows.   You're probably right about everyone else though.

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Re: RE a small blowup
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2010, 06:30:54 am »


It's starting to look like there is a general misapprehension of the nature of some of my recent remarks. I am concerned that there may be those who think I have been been trying to paint someone as a hopeless moron.

In fact, there is just a small disagreement over a small point of practice and that's it. All the rest is exaggeration. My comments in no way negate said person's exemplary practice, general kindness, and hard work in the service of others.

And no, this is not a complaint about the moderators or their actions.

Is this an apology?  If you insulted Dharmakara, this doesn't seem like an appropriate statement.

I do hope DK returns.  It was his decision to leave though, and not entirely your fault.

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Re: RE a small blowup
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2010, 06:33:36 am »
Okey dokey, Ron.   :D

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Re: RE a small blowup
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2010, 06:37:08 am »
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: RE a small blowup
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2010, 08:29:32 am »

Judgments should never be made with emotion, else like the monk, we will be swept away by them, intentions and all.

Ron

We don't need dozens of lines of storytelling to realise that staff need to do what we already do - apply the ToS without emotion. We worked that out all by ourselves.  If you meant DK or CM, I think they also deserve the respect of a direct comment.

If you have a problem with anyone's actions in this sad affair, please say so directly, rather than using vague parables, which have already been reported to me as they are cluttering the thread. I have removed the story of the boy and ice cream as it semed way off-topic. ;)
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