The current kerfuffle

[swampflower]

Holy Moly I missed the big kerfuffle .  Was everything all higgledypiggly?  Sounds all cattywampus.
I had accumulated some poor discrimination concerning DS and have little personal experience to weigh in on the DS subject, so I try to keep quiet.  However I have learned somewhat from posts on FreeSangha and I try to keep an open mind.
Any action to restrict one from their choice of spiritual practice may simply lead to further partisanship or more sectarian conflict.
Arguments are not going to sway committed practitioners anyway.
But we all get our hackles up when our cherished teachers are maligned.
This internecine Buddhist conflict has been going on for hundreds of years.   Nothing new here.
This is a great lesson on abandonment of expectations.  Are expectations one of the deadly poisons?

[heart]

I still would like to know what you DS practitioners think that you are banned from?

You don't respect the wish of HHDL, so why would you like to listen to his teachings?
 
As for the rules about the monks practice they are regulated by the abbot and the lineage heads. That is the same in all monasteries in all traditions.

What else?

/magnus

[gregkavarnos]

Dear Heart,
I don't think that the intention of this thread was to be a continuation of the other thread (the one that was removed) but an explanation of why it was removed.  The embers sare still glowing so why not refrain from heedlessly tossing around highly flammable liquids?

[heybai]

I was thinking the same thing, heart.  Very easy to start a  on this topic; not so easy to repair the ill will it engenders.

Best wishes,
heybai

[heart]

A note about sectarianism.

All the main schools of Tibet contain very much the same teachings. The teachings of the Hinayana that contains the Tripitaka and the monk vows and the vows of individual liberation. The sutras of the Mahayana, like the Heart sutra the two lineages of Bodhisattva vows. The Vajrayana containing the the various levels of tantras are the same in all the Sarma schools (Gelug, Sakya and Kagyu) and in the Nyingma that also contain some other Tantras like the Guhyagharba.

Even if there are some difference between the interpretation and practice and study of these teachings in the various schools and also between various monasteries (within the same school) the teachings themselves are very much the same.
It is in this light that a promise to uphold the teachings of, for example, the Nyingma school is sectarian while for example uphold the Bodhisattva vows or the Kalachakra Tantra isn't. The point is that even if we feel very comfortable in our own tradition, our own Sangha, our understanding of our refuge should be an unbreakable loyalty with the Hinayana teachings, the Bodhisattva vows should be an unbreakable loyalty with the Mahayana teachings and the Vajrayana samyas should be an unbreakable loyalty to the teachings of Vajrayana and the particular Tantra you practice.

Loyalty to schools is basically a Tibetan invention that caused a lot of harm. This continues today in the west. I heard many people say that if you take refuge with a Kagyu lama then you are a Kagyu, so if you want to practice Nyingma you have to take refuge with a Nyingma lama. This is very sad. Now here in this "freesangha" forum some people feel free to accuse HHDL for sectarianism and I don't know what. HHDL has done his utmost to spread the non-sectarian attitude. He have proved this by passing on teachings and empowerments of all the Tibetans schools including the Bon tradition.

/magnus

  

  

[heart]

Dear Heart,
I don't think that the intention of this thread was to be a continuation of the other thread (the one that was removed) but an explanation of why it was removed.  The embers sare still glowing so why not refrain from heedlessly tossing around highly flammable liquids?

Dear Greg, I am not the first person in this thread that posted materials that should have been in the closed thread. As for highly flammable liquids it feels like the nature of online forums. On e-sangha these discussions on DS and NKT where banned for a reason.

/magnus 

[Caz]

Dear Magnus this is not a thread for continuation. 

[catmoon]

Catmoon casts a longing eye at his enormous store of flammable liquids, but decides quiet is better.

[Monkey Mind]

I am locking this thread about the locked thread. As usual, if you strongly disagree, PM me and include a plan of how you will move this thread forward.