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NKT's own classification of itself?
« on: January 26, 2010, 09:49:37 pm »
Greetings,

Does NKT classify itself as "Vajrayana"?

Does NKT classify itself as "Tibetan Buddhism"?

Any references that explain why, or why not, would be appreciated.

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Re: NKT's own classification of itself?
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2010, 10:43:51 pm »
NKT, although presenting themselves as Mahayana today, are Vajrayana in practice with Tibetan roots.
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Re: NKT's own classification of itself?
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2010, 12:44:11 am »
Hi Retro,

From the 'Internal Rules' of the New Kadampa Tradition-International Buddhist Union (NKT-IKBU):

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The New Kadampa Tradition - International Kadampa Buddhist Union is defined as the union of Kadampa Buddhist Centres, the international association of study and meditation centres that follow the pure tradition of Mahayana Buddhism derived from the Buddhist meditators and scholars Atisha and Je Tsongkhapa, introduced into the West by the Buddhist teacher Venerable Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, the Founder of the New Kadampa Tradition - International Kadampa Buddhist Union; and that follow the three New Kadampa Tradition Study Programmes; and that are guided by the code of moral discipline called The Internal Rules of the New Kadampa Tradition - International Kadampa Buddhist Union set out in this document.


http://www.newkadampatruth.org/a-moral-discipline-guide-the-internal-rules-of-the-new-kadampa-tradition-international-kadampa-buddhist-union

(my bolding)

So NKT defines itself as a Mahayana tradition first and foremost.  The teachings of Je Tsongkhapa contain both Sutrayana and Vajrayana instructions so NKT is not solely Vajrayana.  It is not Tibetan Buddhism because it's a Western tradition, although it has Tibetan roots as Ogyen said - but then again it has Indian roots as well because the lineage teachings can be traced back to Buddha Shakyamuni and Buddha Vajradhara.

I hope this helps.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2010, 12:48:48 am by Tsongkhapafan »

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Re: NKT's own classification of itself?
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2010, 03:05:00 am »
Hi Retro,

From the 'Internal Rules' of the New Kadampa Tradition-International Buddhist Union (NKT-IKBU):

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The New Kadampa Tradition - International Kadampa Buddhist Union is defined as the union of Kadampa Buddhist Centres, the international association of study and meditation centres that follow the pure tradition of Mahayana Buddhism derived from the Buddhist meditators and scholars Atisha and Je Tsongkhapa, introduced into the West by the Buddhist teacher Venerable Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, the Founder of the New Kadampa Tradition - International Kadampa Buddhist Union; and that follow the three New Kadampa Tradition Study Programmes; and that are guided by the code of moral discipline called The Internal Rules of the New Kadampa Tradition - International Kadampa Buddhist Union set out in this document.


http://www.newkadampatruth.org/a-moral-discipline-guide-the-internal-rules-of-the-new-kadampa-tradition-international-kadampa-buddhist-union

(my bolding)

So NKT defines itself as a Mahayana tradition first and foremost.  The teachings of Je Tsongkhapa contain both Sutrayana and Vajrayana instructions so NKT is not solely Vajrayana.  It is not Tibetan Buddhism because it's a Western tradition, although it has Tibetan roots as Ogyen said - but then again it has Indian roots as well because the lineage teachings can be traced back to Buddha Shakyamuni and Buddha Vajradhara.

I hope this helps.


Hi Retro :)

Most Kadampa websites agree with this. I've only ever seen other claims, such as being the 'true Gelugpa', on campaigning sites which are unofficial.

It is a Mahayana tradition incorporating Vajrayana. The focus is on figures dating back to Atisha, Nagarjuna, Chandrakirti etc.  Je Tsongkhapa could be seen as one who systematised and synthesised and Geshe Kelsang Gyatso then took this further for the benefit of westerners, producing over 20 books, many of which are commentaries on traditional texts.
Vajrayana, or Buddhist Tantra (which I prefer) originated in India and spread into several other countries.  We can't stick a label on it according to the last country in the chain IMHO, except as a term of convenience.

The NKT movement is in flux, part of which is to strip away Tibetan cultural accretions. It would seem, however, that they still wish to cling to some practices, robes etc. whereas other western movements, such as the (Theravadan) Aukana Trust, have abandoned robes and rituals.  Interesting times. ;)

http://www.aukana.org.uk/
« Last Edit: January 27, 2010, 03:30:17 am by Yeshe »

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Re: NKT's own classification of itself?
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2010, 05:26:24 am »
Its both.  :pray:
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Re: NKT's own classification of itself?
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2010, 05:12:59 pm »
How I understand it is that there is open Mahayana and Secret Mahayana, the names Tantra, Vajrayana and Secret Mantra are synonymous with secret Mahayana, its still Mahayana though.  It's not some third independent yana.  Since the foundations are found in the open teachings. 

« Last Edit: February 08, 2010, 05:21:38 pm by RayZen »

 


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