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« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2010, 07:33:58 pm »
No francis there was no request made on that thread, It was a Introduction gone wrong. Something that can happen when people arent that forum savy.  :pray:


Caz, I may not be an experienced forum user, but left I’m wondering why you have started two threads running on this topic? ie. sponsor a monk. I’m also wondering why moderators are deleting comments that they don’t agree with?  Personally, I think the whole spruiking for the controversial Dorje Shugden, is best avoided in the interests of harmony. 
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« Reply #31 on: August 09, 2010, 10:31:54 pm »
No francis there was no request made on that thread, It was a Introduction gone wrong. Something that can happen when people arent that forum savy.  :pray:


Caz, I may not be an experienced forum user, but left I’m wondering why you have started two threads running on this topic? ie. sponsor a monk. I’m also wondering why moderators are deleting comments that they don’t agree with?  Personally, I think the whole spruiking for the controversial Dorje Shugden, is best avoided in the interests of harmony. 


Well I started 2 threads for the reason that not many people tend to look in this area.
Contraversy is not Inherant people are always free not to comment in such sections if they wish, Mod will also censor posts that do not follow the boards Right speech TOS.  :pray:
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Re: Sponsor a monk today.
« Reply #32 on: August 09, 2010, 10:42:57 pm »
I think Francis has a point.  Why not delete the first thread now or merge it with this one?

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« Reply #33 on: August 09, 2010, 10:56:45 pm »
A response from someone involved with Shar Ganden monastery to my query regarding treatment and conditions of young monks was that 1) I should go to India and see how the young monks were treated and that 2) I shouldn't donate to a cause if I have doubts.  I thought I should ask questions if I have doubts.  Instead it feels like I am being accused of being contentious.  That was not my purpose.

I was told that no vocational training is provided -- assuming any would choose not to become monks as adults -- but I would suppose that literacy and Buddhist education would give may impoverished children a leg up in the world.

Here's the best I could find, from the Berzin link Yeshe provides above (in regards to all TB groups in India, not just Shar Ganden or those associated with Dorje Shugden --

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Joining a Monastery or Nunnery Nowadays in Exile

The Tibetan refugee community has reestablished many of its major monasteries and nunneries in India and Nepal. The new institutions maintain most of the traditional customs, although those in South India require communal agricultural work of most of their able-bodied members. Joining a monastery or nunnery is less widespread than it was before. Mostly poor families and new arrivals send a few of their children to become monks or nuns, primarily because of financial pressure. Often, novice candidates receive at least some secular education before entering monastic institutions, and many wait until adolescence. Tulkus, however, still join at a tender age. Since the early 1980s, modern schooling forms a part of the monastic education, but only at the major institutions.

The households of tulkus and senior teachers in exile still have young disciples living in them. Many monks and nuns, however, now live either in dormitories with communal kitchens or with a few others in small houses. The larger monasteries and nunneries still have regional divisions. Although the reestablished institutions lack many of the modern conveniences of the West, they have far more than their original institutions did in traditional Tibet. Consequently, maintaining a household requires far less menial work than before. Thus, serving the teacher plays a less dominant role in the disciple-mentor relationship than it did previously. Some service, however, is still standard fare.

As in traditional Tibet, child monks and nuns do not receive special treatment. On the other hand, child tulkus have always had, and continue to have, better food and clothing than everyone else. Their person and everything around them are kept scrupulously clean. Waited on by special attendants, they have almost no contact with ordinary child monastics, who are considered too rough and filthy for them to play with.

Strict discipline has traditionally prevented most tulkus from becoming spoiled. Nowadays, however, young tulkus having considerable contact with Western people, culture, and electronic entertainment face greater disciplinary problems. This especially happens when visits to the West disrupt the stability of their home lives, interrupt their education, and introduce cultural conflict.

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Re: Sponsor a monk today.
« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2010, 11:17:00 pm »
Tenzin Sungrab --

GANDEN DHOKHANG BUDDHIST CENTER

5th Fl, No. 11, Lane 79
Taichung Harbor Road
Sec. 1,  West  District
Taichung
Taiwan

In Chinese this is (address only, I don't know the name of the Dharma center in Chinese):  

台中市
西區
中港路一段
79巷11號, 5FL

No postal codes are given or I would add them.

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Postcode update:  Taichung West District = 403

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« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2010, 01:43:10 am »
Gee. Somebody pops in to plug a monk sponsorship program and WAM there are like three major controversies blooming overnight. There is something odd about that. I mean it could be that the NKT is inherently controversial, but it might also be the case that a lot of us are carrying around an ... ah ... pugilistic attitude? I wonder. :fight:

Wrong on two counts.

Caz started the threads.  He did not 'pop in'. 

Shar Gaden has nothing to do with the NKT.

A direct allegation of EXPLOITATION in caps was made and deleted.  Then it was repeated with a personal attack on me as the Mod who deleted it.

Pugilistic does describe the repeated nonsense which continued over email and Facebook.


These sponship schemes are not perfect. Maybe before pointing out all that may be negative about them, people should consider what is good about them.

Perhaps the kids should be left to starve, beg or stitch footballs, like many kids in India.  Some kids in India would give their right arms for a chance to be sponsored in this way, rather than the other extreme of literally having a limb broken or hacked off to go begging on the streets.  These young monks are very very fortunate in the context of their environment. Reality check required.

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« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2010, 11:27:11 am »
Sponsorship programs for Tibetan monks or nuns are ubiquitous and very mainstream these days, even if a little surprising for those unfamiliar with Tibetan Buddhism.  In this way, culture and Buddhist lineages get preserved, education is passed down to the new generation of Tibetans in exile.  Here are just a few of the top results for a Google search "sponsor a monk":


http://www.ripaladrang.org/monksponsor.htm

http://www.drepung.org/Fund.cfm

http://www.tibetaid.org/hidden_bios2.html

http://www.kopan-monastery.com/donations_sponsor.html

http://www.artibet.com/sponsorship.shtml

http://www.dhonden.nl/e-sponsor-individual-monk-india-tibetan.html

http://www.kbi.com.au/cgi-bin/engine.pl?Page=page.html&Rec=109

http://www.universalcompassion.org/sponsor-a-monk/

http://www.gyuto.va.com.au/gyuto/support/sponsor/intro.html

http://www.drolkarbuddhistcentre.org.au/?p=238

... and many, many, many more...

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« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2010, 01:19:24 pm »
Sponsorship programs for Tibetan monks or nuns are ubiquitous and very mainstream these days, even if a little surprising for those unfamiliar with Tibetan Buddhism.  In this way, culture and Buddhist lineages get preserved, education is passed down to the new generation of Tibetans in exile.  Here are just a few of the top results for a Google search "sponsor a monk":


http://www.ripaladrang.org/monksponsor.htm

http://www.drepung.org/Fund.cfm

http://www.tibetaid.org/hidden_bios2.html

http://www.kopan-monastery.com/donations_sponsor.html

http://www.artibet.com/sponsorship.shtml

http://www.dhonden.nl/e-sponsor-individual-monk-india-tibetan.html

http://www.kbi.com.au/cgi-bin/engine.pl?Page=page.html&Rec=109

http://www.universalcompassion.org/sponsor-a-monk/

http://www.gyuto.va.com.au/gyuto/support/sponsor/intro.html

http://www.drolkarbuddhistcentre.org.au/?p=238

... and many, many, many more...


Ah thank you for those as well Gibbon !  :pray:
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This eBook Modern Buddhism – The Path of Compassion and Wisdom, in three volumes, is being distributed freely at the request of the author Geshe Kelsang Gyatso. The author says: "Through reading and practicing the instructions given in this book, people can solve their daily problems and maintain a happy mind all the time." So that these benefits can pervade the whole world, Geshe Kelsang wishes to give this eBook freely to everyone.

We would like to request you to please respect this precious Dharma book, which functions to free living beings from suffering permanently. If you continually read and practice the advice in this book, eventually your problems caused by anger, attachment and ignorance will cease.

Please enjoy this special gift from Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, who dedicates: "May everyone who reads this book experience deep peace of mind, and accomplish the real meaning of human life."

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« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2010, 02:37:04 pm »
Well I started 2 threads for the reason that not many people tend to look in this area.Contraversy is not Inherant people are always free not to comment in such sections if they wish, Mod will also censor posts that do not follow the boards Right speech TOS.  :pray:

Caz, friend you have  much compassion, however I’d suggest that you might consider that not everything posted on the internet in necessarily what it seems.  And as Gibbon pointed out, there are already many links available. So I don’t see why we need to keep duplicating what is already out there.  Imagine if we all started multiple threads, and posted links.   


Yeshe, so all the tales of child exploitation on facebook are all nonsense. Reality check required.   



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« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2010, 03:14:34 pm »
Well I started 2 threads for the reason that not many people tend to look in this area.Contraversy is not Inherant people are always free not to comment in such sections if they wish, Mod will also censor posts that do not follow the boards Right speech TOS.  :pray:

Caz, friend you have  much compassion, however I’d suggest that you might consider that not everything posted on the internet in necessarily what it seems.  And as Gibbon pointed out, there are already many links available. So I don’t see why we need to keep duplicating what is already out there.  Imagine if we all started multiple threads, and posted links.   


Yeshe, so all the tales of child exploitation on facebook are all nonsense. Reality check required.   





Well its a a pretty much new monastry and i thought it would be nice to help out a friend.  :pray:
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This eBook Modern Buddhism – The Path of Compassion and Wisdom, in three volumes, is being distributed freely at the request of the author Geshe Kelsang Gyatso. The author says: "Through reading and practicing the instructions given in this book, people can solve their daily problems and maintain a happy mind all the time." So that these benefits can pervade the whole world, Geshe Kelsang wishes to give this eBook freely to everyone.

We would like to request you to please respect this precious Dharma book, which functions to free living beings from suffering permanently. If you continually read and practice the advice in this book, eventually your problems caused by anger, attachment and ignorance will cease.

Please enjoy this special gift from Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, who dedicates: "May everyone who reads this book experience deep peace of mind, and accomplish the real meaning of human life."

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« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2010, 03:39:24 pm »
Well I started 2 threads for the reason that not many people tend to look in this area.Contraversy is not Inherant people are always free not to comment in such sections if they wish, Mod will also censor posts that do not follow the boards Right speech TOS.  :pray:

Caz, friend you have  much compassion, however I’d suggest that you might consider that not everything posted on the internet in necessarily what it seems.  And as Gibbon pointed out, there are already many links available. So I don’t see why we need to keep duplicating what is already out there.  Imagine if we all started multiple threads, and posted links.  


Yeshe, so all the tales of child exploitation on facebook are all nonsense. Reality check required.  
Tales? Provide hard evidence about this monastery or would you prefer to repeat a potential libel ? Tenzin Sungrab works there. You will I an sure want toa warn him of such evils.



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« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2010, 04:12:22 pm »
Tales? Provide hard evidence about this monastery or would you prefer to repeat a potential libel ? Tenzin Sungrab works there. You will I an sure want toa warn him of such evils.

Yeshe, that may be true, but the first person to post re Shar Garden (now under review by fresangha council) also worked there.   He introduced himself as a follower of shugden, not as a Buddhist.  Unfortunately, the negative reaction that Shar Gaden invoked seems to indicate some unauthenticity.  However, my request is simple.  All I’m suggesting is that it would best to ensure peace and harmony by avoiding the whole Dorje Shugden controversy, and resist the urge to spruik, no matter how good we think the cause. 

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« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2010, 07:27:35 pm »
Tales? Provide hard evidence about this monastery or would you prefer to repeat a potential libel ? Tenzin Sungrab works there. You will I an sure want toa warn him of such evils.

Yeshe, that may be true, but the first person to post re Shar Garden (now under review by fresangha council) also worked there.   He introduced himself as a follower of shugden, not as a Buddhist.  Unfortunately, the negative reaction that Shar Gaden invoked seems to indicate some unauthenticity.  However, my request is simple.  All I’m suggesting is that it would best to ensure peace and harmony by avoiding the whole Dorje Shugden controversy, and resist the urge to spruik, no matter how good we think the cause. 

Shar Gaden Monastery is not under review by Free Sangha (I can't imagine what that would look like: something like UN weapons inspectors in Iraq or North Korea???), and the only question that has been raised is the appropriateness of the young age of the novice monks (some appear under ten), but this has nothing to do with Dorje Shugden since practice of requiting young monks is the same in all Tibetan monasteries, including those supported by HHDL (see the Berzin link above).  The answer to this question regarding the age of the children has been that the alternative to monastery life for most is abject poverty. 

You are right to ask questions, Francis, but I don't believe this is a valid one.

Cheers,
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« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2010, 07:37:45 pm »

Shar Gaden Monastery is not under review by Free Sangha (I can't imagine what that would look like: something like UN weapons inspectors in Iraq or North Korea???), and the only question that has been raised is the appropriateness of the young age of the novice monks (some appear under ten), but this has nothing to do with Dorje Shugden since practice of requiting young monks is the same in all Tibetan monasteries, including those supported by HHDL (see the Berzin link above).  The answer to this question regarding the age of the children has been that the alternative to monastery life for most is abject poverty. 

You are right to ask questions, Francis, but I don't believe this is a valid one.

Cheers,

heybai




Hello from Shar Gaden Monastery in India was removed for review by the FreeSangha Council.

http://www.freesangha.com/forums/index.php?topic=1641.0

This topic has been moved for review FreeSangha Council.

http://www.freesangha.com/forums/index.php?topic=1628.0



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Re: Sponsor a monk today.
« Reply #44 on: August 10, 2010, 07:42:57 pm »
I misunderstood Francis, you are correct.  But I gather the appropriateness of the member's post was in question, and not the monastery itself.

EDIT:  I just reviewed that thread and it was not the OP that was in question, but the fact that his welcome thread was turned into a debate (by others) over the Dorje Shugden controversy.  The member and the monastery are not in question by the staff of Free Sangha. 

Cheerios --
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