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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2010, 02:21:33 pm »
Yes there are some very profound teachings amongst these texts, How wonderful it would be if everyone could apply them !  :D
Easier said than done.

And it is always easier to see how someone else should practice. I'm just acknowledging that I'm attached. It is the best I can do right now. Maybe later I'll do better.

Of course it is CJ i know the feeling...Im often like it myself. Perhapes we should start a club.

Procastrinators unite !...Tommorrow  :teehee:

I am there, procrastinating that is :gawrsh:
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Re: Twenty-Seven Verses On Mind Training Composed by Lama Je Tsongkhapa.
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2010, 04:48:26 pm »
But really, the monasteries of Tibet were places where people aspired to enlightenment, or sainthood if you will. And that is how it is still taught to us in the traditional venues. Do I really want to get enlightened, or be a saint? No. I just want to not be as much of a jerk, happier, and of course clean and sober. I can't say honestly how much I have improved in terms of being a jerk but I am happier than I was--and still sober. Plus having had a substance abuse history, and the corresponding compromising of my honor and integrity, I want to feel like I am doing something honorable. That's good enough for me, for now. And it is not like I am going to stop here, I just don't want to be like Milarepa.

These verses by Tsongkhapa are too much for me. My limitation, no error on T's part.

Next lifetime...
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Re: Twenty-Seven Verses On Mind Training Composed by Lama Je Tsongkhapa.
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2010, 09:17:33 pm »
Dear Friends

om svasti

There need not be a contradiction between our present condition and our highest aspirations. Time is the only thing that separates us from Buddhahood, and time is ultimately a concept, a mental construct.

In Vajrayoga, generating 'the Sincere Mind' involves two realizations: (1) that we intrinsically possess Budha Nature, and (2) that our Buddha Nature is currently veiled by afflicted emotions and obscurations to wisdom. We then generate 'the Deep Mind': the certainty that the power of the Vows and Dharma activities of the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas are not only our support on the path to cessation of suffering, but also the guarantee of ultimate enlightenment. With that certainty, we generate 'the Mind of Aspiration': relying on the grace of the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas for ourselves, we dedicate all our merit to the welfare of others.

While pride is an inflated assessment of our present condition, and thus an afflicted emotion, lack of faith in the Three Jewels as perfect and effective Refuge is an obscuration to wisdom.

Every step is the path. Plan A is total enlightenment in one life and one body. There's always Plan B (seven lives to enlightenment), Plan C (16 lives), and other plans.

The Omniscient Dolpopa often prayed:

May I teach the Dharma in all my lifetimes!

If unable to teach the Dharma,
may I bear the great responsibility of upholding it!

If unable to uphold the Dharma,
may I stand watch with concern for the doctrine
and fear for the decline of the Dharma!

May I remove all the suffering
of all infinite beings, my parents!

If unable to remove all their suffering,
may I be their companion in suffering!

We may not be able to act on that exalted platform as of yet, but nothing can stop us from aspiring to do so. A virtuous act of mind is still a virtuous act. The virtuous wish of the Bodhisattva, because the scope of the aspiration to benefit all beings is so vast, swiftly completes the accumulation of merit.

mangalam

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Re: Twenty-Seven Verses On Mind Training Composed by Lama Je Tsongkhapa.
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2010, 10:12:24 pm »
Well spoke of Tashi-la  :pray:

I beleive we are all more then capable of getting somewhere CJ, Every little helps as they say !  :jinsyx:
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Re: Twenty-Seven Verses On Mind Training Composed by Lama Je Tsongkhapa.
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2010, 06:33:05 am »
Yes there are some very profound teachings amongst these texts, How wonderful it would be if everyone could apply them !  :D
Easier said than done.

And it is always easier to see how someone else should practice. I'm just acknowledging that I'm attached. It is the best I can do right now. Maybe later I'll do better.

I admire your honesty and humility. By practising both of these you are practising Dharma  :wink1:

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« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2010, 09:38:13 am »
In Vajrayoga, generating 'the Sincere Mind' involves two realizations: (1) that we intrinsically possess Budha Nature, and (2) that our Buddha Nature is currently veiled by afflicted emotions and obscurations to wisdom.
I had not heard of "generating 'the Sincere Mind'" before. However it strikes a chord.

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We then generate 'the Deep Mind': the certainty that the power of the Vows and Dharma activities of the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas are not only our support on the path to cessation of suffering, but also the guarantee of ultimate enlightenment. With that certainty, we generate 'the Mind of Aspiration': relying on the grace of the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas for ourselves, we dedicate all our merit to the welfare of others.
A not very often heard perspective. Confidence in that guarantee, albeit over more than just this life, is part of the Refuge. It is completely not secular, and completely beautiful.

btw, are 'Sincere Mind' and 'Deep Mind' the same thing?

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While pride is an inflated assessment of our present condition, and thus an afflicted emotion, lack of faith in the Three Jewels as perfect and effective Refuge is an obscuration to wisdom.
A case in point.

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Every step is the path. Plan A is total enlightenment in one life and one body. There's always Plan B (seven lives to enlightenment), Plan C (16 lives), and other plans.
Plan A is too hard. I'll let my subsequent incarnations decide between B and C.

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Re: Twenty-Seven Verses On Mind Training Composed by Lama Je Tsongkhapa.
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2010, 09:42:30 am »
In Vajrayoga, generating 'the Sincere Mind' involves two realizations: (1) that we intrinsically possess Budha Nature, and (2) that our Buddha Nature is currently veiled by afflicted emotions and obscurations to wisdom.
I had not heard of "generating 'the Sincere Mind'" before. However it strikes a chord.

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We then generate 'the Deep Mind': the certainty that the power of the Vows and Dharma activities of the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas are not only our support on the path to cessation of suffering, but also the guarantee of ultimate enlightenment. With that certainty, we generate 'the Mind of Aspiration': relying on the grace of the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas for ourselves, we dedicate all our merit to the welfare of others.
A not very often heard perspective. Confidence in that guarantee, albeit over more than just this life, is part of the Refuge. It is completely not secular, and completely beautiful.

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While pride is an inflated assessment of our present condition, and thus an afflicted emotion, lack of faith in the Three Jewels as perfect and effective Refuge is an obscuration to wisdom.
A case in point.

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Every step is the path. Plan A is total enlightenment in one life and one body. There's always Plan B (seven lives to enlightenment), Plan C (16 lives), and other plans.
Plan A is too hard. I'll let my subsequent incarnations decide between B and C.


Sure Tsongkhapa's lines are alot to aspire to ! You been feeling down in your practise CJ ?  >:D<
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We would like to request you to please respect this precious Dharma book, which functions to free living beings from suffering permanently. If you continually read and practice the advice in this book, eventually your problems caused by anger, attachment and ignorance will cease.

Please enjoy this special gift from Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, who dedicates: "May everyone who reads this book experience deep peace of mind, and accomplish the real meaning of human life."

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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2010, 09:48:44 am »
I beleive we are all more then capable of getting somewhere CJ, Every little helps as they say !  :jinsyx:
Don't get me wrong Caz, I'm not giving up! I'm just not going to try to be the hero and dedicate myself exclusively to Dharma. I'll do what I can without guilt tripping myself about doing more.
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Sure Tsongkhapa's lines are alot to aspire to! You been feeling down in your practise CJ ?  >:D<
Nah, just more realistic.
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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2010, 09:59:40 am »
I beleive we are all more then capable of getting somewhere CJ, Every little helps as they say !  :jinsyx:
Don't get me wrong Caz, I'm not giving up! I'm just not going to try to be the hero and dedicate myself exclusively to Dharma. I'll do what I can without guilt tripping myself about doing more.
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Sure Tsongkhapa's lines are alot to aspire to! You been feeling down in your practise CJ ?  >:D<
Nah, just more realistic.

 :D Progress is Progress CJ, with steady practise we get there eventually no ?  ;D
Well im sure is even Lam chung can do it simply by sweeping at the temple we can do it with continued practise, Never mind full time dedication just having a continous practise leaves appropriate imprints to ripen in the future  :cheesy:
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We would like to request you to please respect this precious Dharma book, which functions to free living beings from suffering permanently. If you continually read and practice the advice in this book, eventually your problems caused by anger, attachment and ignorance will cease.

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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2010, 10:15:26 am »

 
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:D Progress is Progress CJ, with steady practise we get there eventually no ?  ;D
Well im sure is even Lam chung can do it simply by sweeping at the temple we can do it with continued practise, Never mind full time dedication just having a continous practise leaves appropriate imprints to ripen in the future  :cheesy:
One of my favorite storys. 'Here dirt is attachment, not dirt. Here dirt is a name for attachment, not dirt. Scholars reject this sort of dirt. They scrupulously follow the teachings of the Sugata.'
Shaun :namaste:

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« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2010, 10:19:49 am »

 
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:D Progress is Progress CJ, with steady practise we get there eventually no ?  ;D
Well im sure is even Lam chung can do it simply by sweeping at the temple we can do it with continued practise, Never mind full time dedication just having a continous practise leaves appropriate imprints to ripen in the future  :cheesy:
One of my favorite storys. 'Here dirt is attachment, not dirt. Here dirt is a name for attachment, not dirt. Scholars reject this sort of dirt. They scrupulously follow the teachings of the Sugata.'
Shaun :namaste:

Also well spoken friend.  :pray:
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This eBook Modern Buddhism – The Path of Compassion and Wisdom, in three volumes, is being distributed freely at the request of the author Geshe Kelsang Gyatso. The author says: "Through reading and practicing the instructions given in this book, people can solve their daily problems and maintain a happy mind all the time." So that these benefits can pervade the whole world, Geshe Kelsang wishes to give this eBook freely to everyone.

We would like to request you to please respect this precious Dharma book, which functions to free living beings from suffering permanently. If you continually read and practice the advice in this book, eventually your problems caused by anger, attachment and ignorance will cease.

Please enjoy this special gift from Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, who dedicates: "May everyone who reads this book experience deep peace of mind, and accomplish the real meaning of human life."

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Re: Twenty-Seven Verses On Mind Training Composed by Lama Je Tsongkhapa.
« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2010, 07:44:07 pm »
Dear Friends

om svasti

The Three Minds (Sincere Mind, Deep Mind, and Aspiring Mind) come to us through the teachings of Arya Vasubandhu and the commentaries and oral pith instructions of the Jonang Masters.

Although intricately related, they are different in that the Sincere Mind refers to our understanding of our own True Nature, veiled with obscurations; the Deep Mind refers to our acceptance of the grace of the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, and our reliance on True Refuge in the Three Jewels; and the Aspiring Mind is synonymous with Bodhichitta, the irrevocable vow to bring all sentient beings to enlightenment.

Perhaps our friend HB can clarify, but i have read that in the Pure Land traditions (both Jodo and Jodoshu) there is an understanding of these (or similar) Three Minds. Maybe Honen Shonin gave them more importance that Shinran did, if i remember correctly. In any case, the relation of Arya Vasubandhu's teaching on the Three Minds and the doctrine of self-power (jiriki) and other power (tariki) is worth exploring further.

My apologies for any unintentional misrepresentation of Pure Land doctrine.

mangalam

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« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2010, 08:36:41 pm »
Although intricately related, they are different in that the Sincere Mind refers to our understanding of our own True Nature, veiled with obscurations; the Deep Mind refers to our acceptance of the grace of the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, and our reliance on True Refuge in the Three Jewels; and the Aspiring Mind is synonymous with Bodhichitta, the irrevocable vow to bring all sentient beings to enlightenment.
Just as a guess, are they to be cultivated in that order?
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« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2010, 09:24:35 pm »
Although intricately related, they are different in that the Sincere Mind refers to our understanding of our own True Nature, veiled with obscurations; the Deep Mind refers to our acceptance of the grace of the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, and our reliance on True Refuge in the Three Jewels; and the Aspiring Mind is synonymous with Bodhichitta, the irrevocable vow to bring all sentient beings to enlightenment.
Just as a guess, are they to be cultivated in that order?


Yes, in that sequence, although not necessarily at different times. In Vajrayoga, they are generated in quick succession, but only after having cultivated them previously.

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Re: Twenty-Seven Verses On Mind Training Composed by Lama Je Tsongkhapa.
« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2010, 09:39:20 pm »
These attainments, these minds, are of course impossibly difficult, like being faced with a twenty-foot high wall. However, the teachings have a way of providing long flexible poles and pole vaulting training at opportune times.
Sergeant Schultz was onto something.

 


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