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« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2013, 04:34:12 pm »
I really can't fathom why someone would deliberately ruin a good violin, but we have the same problem here. Some people show up and want to ruin a perfectly good Buddhism practice and are completely closed to any decent guidance about that...

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« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2013, 05:12:48 pm »
Well actually ruining a good violin and ruining a good buddhist practise, very often have the same reason, the person is ignorant about violins or buddhism, and the person is incompetent about fixing violins or practising buddhism.

The good thing is that ignorance and incompetance are not permanent, and that through education, meditation and practice people can grow.

What I know from the violin forum is ignorant and incompetent people don't need to be insulted or ridiculed, not that I didn't do that sometimes!, they need to be educated or corrected about doing things a better way.

In Buddhism, ignorance and ignorance about Buddhism are not sins, but claiming to have higher knowledge or be enlightened when you're not is a major sin.
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to me, the signs of a successful practice are happiness and a cessation of suffering, buddhism often gives me this; not all the answers.

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« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2013, 05:18:13 pm »
These topics sit very heavy with me. I enjoy FreeSangha the most when a beginner asks a beginner question, and members of this community come together to offer resources from different traditions that help to answer the question. I like this forum the least when people are debating each other in a heated and aggressive manner. Most of these debates seem really misguided, in my humble opinion, but the authors of the debate posts vehemently claim that debates are important for Dharma growth. (Are they the majority of our members or a very vocal minority?)

I don't know the answer. I want to trust that each member can decide for themselves what is worth reading and what would be best ignored. (No moderator intervention.) However, we have repeatedly heard feedback that FreeSangha is too permissive when it comes to trolls and meta-discussion, and people are leaving the forum because of the distracting side conversations. (More moderator intervention is requested.)

I agree with something GoGet said. (I will pause and let the shocked gasping settle down.) There are whole sections of FreeSangha that I never read, because they do not relate to my background or experience. But if I am not reading posts in those sections, I'm not certain if any other moderator is. They come to my attention when someone pushes the "Report Post" button, but almost always the negative posting has gone on for several posts and it is difficult to repair. I would feel more comfortable if we had more moderators with a Mahayana and Vajrayana background.

We used to have them.

What do you suppose happened to them.

and just WTF is this supposed to mean:

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(I will pause and let the shocked gasping settle down.)

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« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2013, 05:35:39 pm »
Well just an observation, but it appears to me, not in number of posts but in sheer volume of printed material, 50% of the printed text lately are from people who turn out to be either direct followers or strong supporters of Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, the guy everyone is trying to say is "good" for buddhism.

And when I post Video and articles by a much higher lineage, and more respected in tibetan circles, Rinpoche, Sakya Trizin, practically no comments at all.

What we have here is a lot of people that don't want to follow traditional buddhism, that don't want to follow all the precepts, they don't care if their guru slept with nuns. Which is their right, its a free sangha, but then these same people want to be the big players teaching buddhism on this forum, and every time someone tries to put a more  conservative, traditional viewpoint on the teaching, its attack, attack, attack, then we wonder why are we loseing members. just my opinion
to me, the signs of a successful practice are happiness and a cessation of suffering, buddhism often gives me this; not all the answers.

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« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2013, 06:36:54 pm »
We used to have them.

What do you suppose happened to them.

Impossible to generalize for all of them, but most of them came to the same realization: One can engage in Buddhist practice or on can engage in arguments about Buddhist practice, but it is not really skillful to do attempt to do both.

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« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2013, 06:48:04 pm »
What we have here is a lot of people that don't want to follow traditional buddhism, that don't want to follow all the precepts, they don't care if their guru slept with nuns.

That nun, John, only one we know of, so only one we can talk about.

Think about this.  Beginners will come in her thinking you're dealing straight stuff, when in fact what you're doing is lying when you post stuff like that.

People want to follow precepts John.  Most of them aren't as good at it as you are.  In some cases the precepts are taken as vows whuch a practitioner can viw to abide by.  You don't have to agree John but you have no right to treat those whose view of the path differs from yours, like they were something smelly stuck to the sole of your shoe.

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Which is their right, its a free sangha,

In that case you have no right to speak disparaging of them.

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just my opinion

Everybody's got one.

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« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2013, 06:51:21 pm »
We used to have them.

What do you suppose happened to them.

Impossible to generalize for all of them, but most of them came to the same realization: One can engage in Buddhist practice or on can engage in arguments about Buddhist practice, but it is not really skillful to do attempt to do both.

I don't think that's it at all, but if it is, why don't the mods do something about it?  Are you that powerless?  John just posted something that was not only untrue but is probably presented with the idea of stirring something up.  You guys want Right Speech, frikkin enforce it!

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« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2013, 07:13:45 pm »
I don't think that's it at all...
Many of them I consider to be my friends. I don't want to accidentally spill any confidential information, but I think it is acceptable to say most of them wanted to focus on their practice, and FreeSangha was a distraction from that. I think you could agree that practice is a noble calling.

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but if it is, why don't the mods do something about it?  Are you that powerless?  John just posted something that was not only untrue but is probably presented with the idea of stirring something up.  You guys want Right Speech, frikkin enforce it!

I think Wonky answered this question very well on the first page of this thread. I don't want to enforce anything, and it would be impossible to enforce everything. Having said that, I winced when I read FMJ's post and I am weighing the pro's and cons of intervening versus ignoring it. I'm not sure the post will survive the night...

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« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2013, 07:20:34 pm »
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I'm not sure the post will survive the night...
So who is responsible if such survives or not? Or is there anybody a "poor" executor with no self responsibility?

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« Reply #39 on: June 18, 2013, 07:42:06 pm »
Hanzze, I encourage you to read our Terms of Service statement. You have gifted us with many snide remarks and criticisms, all the while proclaiming yourself to be a superior practitioner. These are the teachings of Mara. I suggest you focus on your own practice, and let me be responsible for mine.

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« Reply #40 on: June 18, 2013, 07:44:48 pm »
It was not my intention to dominate this thread. I will abstain from further comment, and let others offer Wonky feedback.

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« Reply #41 on: June 18, 2013, 08:00:42 pm »
Hanzze, I encourage you to read our Terms of Service statement. You have gifted us with many snide remarks and criticisms, all the while proclaiming yourself to be a superior practitioner. These are the teachings of Mara. I suggest you focus on your own practice, and let me be responsible for mine.


And do you think that terms of services will take over your responsibility and take care of your vipaka?

That's basic. If you would start to read what is posted and talked, you would start to understand, maybe: Dhana├▒jani but since you prefer to continue to do wrong for the sake of this an that, you will not meet the point.

And when it becomes hot: "It was not my intention to dominate this thread. I will abstain from further comment, and let others offer Wonky feedback." giving up ones responsibility to Wonky, TOS, laws, wife, monks, Buddha...

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Re: Time for some change?
« Reply #42 on: June 18, 2013, 08:09:43 pm »
Funny buddhists. :teehee:

Never mind. Just sit.  :fu:

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« Reply #43 on: June 18, 2013, 08:13:03 pm »
Sure "never mind" is of cause a beloved "non - buddhist" label

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« Reply #44 on: June 18, 2013, 11:27:09 pm »
I joined this forum with the hope of learning and gaining knowledge and hopefully a few friends ...instead of a loving good living atmosphere i find to my horror that this forum can be the same as many other non buddhist forums i have joined (and since left) and that disappointed me how can i learn about the five precepts when some members on here who are well versed in them seem unable to practise them themselves .....i will hang about and learn as i can but feel my time here would be better spent elsewhere ...
yours all with disappointment
Phil :(

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