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Re: "Navy Yard Shooter Called Buddhist With Anger-Fueled Past"
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2013, 02:21:50 am »
No, not fiction. It appears that they actually contacted members of the temple he belonged to --- they were shocked by his actions because he was very dedicated to the temple, even volunteered many times, taking visitors on tours of the temple grounds.

The Buddhist connection hasn't been mentioned in any of the UK reporting so far.  The focus has been on the mental illness angle, with hints that it might be related to previous military service.
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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2013, 02:35:08 am »
but he only brought the shotgun and got the assault rifle from????/ A gun locker or one of the defenders????

There seem to be mixed reports.  But selling an assault rifle like the AR15 to the general public seems to me like sheer lunacy.

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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2013, 03:54:21 am »
but he only brought the shotgun and got the assault rifle from????/ A gun locker or one of the defenders????


There seem to be mixed reports.  But selling an assault rifle like the AR15 to the general public seems to me like sheer lunacy.


No AR15 according to CBS News report last night.  He brought in a shotgun in a bag.  He took a pistol from one of the policemen he shot early in the progress of the incident.  He was taken down (killed) by two officers ( one a local policeman, and another a parks officer, who both responded to the incident report/request for emergency assistance) later as the deranged killer was shooting others from a multi-level balcony arrangement, which surrounded a cafeteria area from which he killed and wounded victims.  The number I remember is fifteen total.

CBS New Report here:  http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57603385/the-washington-navy-yard-shooting-as-it-happened/

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But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: "Navy Yard Shooter Called Buddhist With Anger-Fueled Past"
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2013, 05:48:55 am »
but he only brought the shotgun and got the assault rifle from????/ A gun locker or one of the defenders????


There seem to be mixed reports.  But selling an assault rifle like the AR15 to the general public seems to me like sheer lunacy.


No AR15 according to CBS News report last night.  He brought in a shotgun in a bag.  He took a pistol from one of the policemen he shot early in the progress of the incident.  He was taken down (killed) by two officers ( one a local policeman, and another a parks officer, who both responded to the incident report/request for emergency assistance) later as the deranged killer was shooting others from a multi-level balcony arrangement, which surrounded a cafeteria area from which he killed and wounded victims.  The number I remember is fifteen total.

CBS New Report here:  http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57603385/the-washington-navy-yard-shooting-as-it-happened/


OK.  But assault rifles like the AR15s can be purchased by the general public in the US?

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Re: "Navy Yard Shooter Called Buddhist With Anger-Fueled Past"
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2013, 06:06:11 am »
The media coverage only gets worse, this from Time magazine, fresh off bungling the story on Myanmar;

http://healthland.time.com/2013/09/17/aaron-alexis-and-the-dark-side-of-meditation/
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Re: "Navy Yard Shooter Called Buddhist With Anger-Fueled Past"
« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2013, 07:58:14 am »
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Spiny:  OK.  But assault rifles like the AR15s can be purchased by the general public in the US?

I think you are right, Spiny.  But, not sure.  Never had any need for one since Vietnam.   :-P  Actually, never had a need for one while in Vietnam.  My work mostly involved listening to enemy radio signals, and locating them so that others could find them and kill them.  So, I consider myself to have hands just as bloody as the combat infantry, or artillery soldiers.  As an 18 year-old kid I didn't think about such things to the extent that I should have. :smack:

Did buy a shotgun, though for Deer hunting after leaving the military.  Never killed a deer, though.  Just didn't have the heart for it.  I think that was one of the reasons I later chose The Buddhist Path way back in 1998.

Hope this clears things up for you. ( Probably not!)

If you really want to know, go to a gun show in any local rural town and you will find out how easy it is to buy semi-automatic weapons such as the AR-15.
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2013, 01:17:55 am »
Never had any need for one since Vietnam.   :-P  Actually, never had a need for one while in Vietnam.  My work mostly involved listening to enemy radio signals, and locating them so that others could find them and kill them.  So, I consider myself to have hands just as bloody as the combat infantry, or artillery soldiers.  As an 18 year-old kid I didn't think about such things to the extent that I should have. :smack:

That must have been an experience.

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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2013, 01:20:36 pm »
Everything about this makes me sad. The loss of lives, the suffering the gunman must have experienced in order to do something so awful...

I shot my first gun last weekend. Not at anything living, mind. A pinata filled with tanerite (sp?) to celebrate a friend's...something. It wasn't specific. There was a thrill to it, and for a moment in time I actually contemplated purchasing a small handgun, just for target shooting and the like.

But then something like this comes along to remind me that the only real purpose of a gun is to kill, and all desire flies out the window.

As to the shooters practice, well...who am I to say anything about it, one way or another? Clearly he was mentally ill, and mental illness can do...a lot of things to a person. I grieve for everyone involved.

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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2013, 02:27:48 pm »
People contemplating suicide do not need to be purchasing or owning guns, or have access to guns, If they have been hospitalized for their condition its against the law to posses a firearm, also......
to me, the signs of a successful practice are happiness and a cessation of suffering, buddhism often gives me this; not all the answers.


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« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2013, 06:04:28 pm »
People contemplating suicide do not need to be purchasing or owning guns, or have access to guns, If they have been hospitalized for their condition its against the law to posses a firearm, also......

you would be surprised, I knew  a person(not me) who actually was forced into a mental hospital by the state and they could still own firearms....it  actually took 3 trips to the mental hospital before the state actually striped them of their fire arm rights.

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« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2013, 01:08:41 am »
People contemplating suicide do not need to be purchasing or owning guns, or have access to guns, If they have been hospitalized for their condition its against the law to posses a firearm, also......

you would be surprised, I knew  a person(not me) who actually was forced into a mental hospital by the state and they could still own firearms....it  actually took 3 trips to the mental hospital before the state actually striped them of their fire arm rights.

These mass shootings seem to occur in the US with depressing regularity.  Is it just lax gun laws, or does it point to a higher incidence of mental illness?  Is it that people are worn down by the system in some way?

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Re: "Navy Yard Shooter Called Buddhist With Anger-Fueled Past"
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2013, 03:19:31 am »
Too many guns, Spiny, and much too easy access to them.

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Re: "Navy Yard Shooter Called Buddhist With Anger-Fueled Past"
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2013, 05:36:08 am »
Too many guns, Spiny, and much too easy access to them.

I concur. It's shockingly easy to get a gun, especially in certain states. Here in Texas, they sell them in Walmart.

 


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