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Offline Spiny Norman

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« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2013, 05:53:49 am »
Here in Texas, they sell them in Walmart.

That's scary.  What kinds of guns could you buy there?

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« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2013, 06:39:40 am »
Here in Texas, they sell them in Walmart.


That's scary.  What kinds of guns could you buy there?


Just hunting rifles, I think? I'm not entirely certain. I've seen the gun counter and the display while walking through the one the next city over, but I didn't really stop and browse. You can also get BB guns and CO2 pistols, but that's a little less frightening.

Here's the website's gun selection: http://www.walmart.com/browse/shooting/firearms-ammunition/4125_1107532_1088608/?_refineresult=true&povid=cat4155-env458156-moduleA091813-lLinkLHNRelatedCategories3FirearmsAmmunition

It looks like there's some semi-automatics listed on the website...and the hunting rifle selection is even larger...
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« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2013, 07:10:25 am »
If I'm not mistaken fully automatic weapons are not licensed to private individuals in the US, but semi-automatics are fully legal to buy and use. I don't think it would be a hard job to convert some semi-autos back to full automatic use for a competent gunsmith/enthusiast.

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« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2013, 07:18:10 am »
The reported use of The AR-15 Assault rifle in the Navy Yard Shootings/killings was falsely reported by many news channels.  In reality they confused the fact that he had "leased" use of one at a gun store and used it in a target range on the property of the same store, and where he later bought the shotgun which he first modified by sawing off the stock and the barrel and then killed a guard, took his semi-automatic pistol, and then continued to kill and wound the others he found during his search and kill self designed operation.  This was clarified of Fox News and CBS last night.  He tried to buy a pistol, but was not allowed to, because the gun store owner said that he would have to ship the pistol to his address in Texas, because he was not a DC resident.  That  pistol law worked very well.  What was stupid, is the fact that he was still allowed to buy a shotgun, which he later modified.

Many anti-gun activists and politicians repeated the falsehood about the assault rifle hoping that it would further their politically motivated anti-gun agendas.  In reality it was The AR-15's and other assault rifles used by what The NRA calls the "good guys" / the emergency responders that brought the killer down and prevented any further killing.

Bottom line: As Buddha rightly stated: "violence leads only to more violence".  Although this guy was insane and perceived that he was mistreated, and planned to kill for whatever his warped reasons, the path of violence he chose  was largely due to what he was taught to do in his military naval weapons training, and what found to be his constant use of violent video games according to police investigators, and as reported on  Fox news last night (Bill O'Reilly) and a guest psychologist, who did an overview of the perpetrator's history from police investigative findings.

The pro-gun groups are quick to state that no additional gun laws would have prevented this atrocity.  IMHO what would have prevented it was VA medical staff and police departments, who were both contacted by him when he reported various mental disorders, acting with greater skill in doing their jobs, making the purchase of all weapons, including shotguns equal in thoroughness as with pistols and the recently expired assault rifle laws, which should be national laws, so that folks can't to over the  state borders and buy guns, when they want to kill due to urges.

Banning all weapons and all killing would be good, too.  Perhaps this is why there are no murders / killings in Tushita Heaven, but I never read this in The Suttas, so I don't know for sure.   :r4wheel: :buddha:

Or, we could all move to England, where people only get killed by The Jihadists with long, sharp knives and bombs.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2013, 07:30:51 am by Bodhisatta 2013 »
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« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2013, 07:29:37 am »
No additonal gun laws would have prevented this atrocity.  What would have prevented it was VA medical staff and police departments who were both contacted by him when he reported various mental disorders, acting with greater skill in doing their jobs.

I am sorry, Ron, but that is just not true.  I have lived in three countries with strict gun control laws and regulations in place -- Japan, Taiwan, the the UK -- and the idea that anyone in these states, let alone a mentally imbalanced person with "security" clearance at a Navy facility, could gain access to these weapons would be hard to fathom. 

Yes, there have been incidents in places with strict(er) control, the most horrendous example being Norway in July 2012, but there are just so many more people dying by gunfire in the U.S.

I agree that the medical and government authorities failed miserably in this case.  This poor deluded man also died because of the carelessness shown toward him. 

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« Reply #35 on: September 20, 2013, 07:35:24 am »

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Heybai:   am sorry, Ron, but that is just not true.  I have lived in three countries with strict gun control laws and regulations in place -- Japan, Taiwan, the the UK -- and the idea that anyone in these states, let alone a mentally imbalanced person with "security" clearance at a Navy facility, could gain access to these weapons would be hard to fathom. 

Yes, there have been incidents in places with strict(er) control, the most horrendous example being Norway in July 2012, but there are just so many more people dying by gunfire in the U.S.

I agree that the medical and government authorities failed miserably in this case.  This poor deluded man also died because of the carelessness shown toward him.

Sorry Heybai.  I was still editing while you responded.  Recheck my post and see if you like it better.  Going to have to start composing on "Word" First before posting again.   :wink1:

By the by:  I agree with everything you say, or are ever going to say.  The place where I felt the most safe anywhere in the world was Japan, but they lost many people when activists use Sarin Gas on a train years ago.    :jinsyx: :namaste: :curtain:

Again, bottom line:  "violence leads only to more violence".  Let's stamp out violence and all teaching of violence so that we can all live safely and in peace. :hug: :grouphug: :namaste:
« Last Edit: September 20, 2013, 07:39:24 am by Bodhisatta 2013 »
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« Reply #36 on: September 20, 2013, 08:47:55 am »
I agree with everything you say, or are ever going to say

Carte Blanche! Look out world!.   :cheesy:

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« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2013, 10:22:32 am »
Unfortunately, I don't see the gun issue changing in the US anytime soon, not when the right to bear arms is constitutionally protected. Even with the mass shooting that occured in Colorado and the resulting laws that were passed there since it, the gun lobbiests there have still managed to threaten politicians that supported it with recalls.

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« Reply #38 on: September 21, 2013, 01:19:39 am »
Unfortunately, I don't see the gun issue changing in the US anytime soon, not when the right to bear arms is constitutionally protected. Even with the mass shooting that occured in Colorado and the resulting laws that were passed there since it, the gun lobbiests there have still managed to threaten politicians that supported it with recalls.

Sadly I think you're right.  It seems like guns are just too deeply embedded in the American psyche.

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« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2013, 01:22:11 am »
If I'm not mistaken fully automatic weapons are not licensed to private individuals in the US, but semi-automatics are fully legal to buy and use. I don't think it would be a hard job to convert some semi-autos back to full automatic use for a competent gunsmith/enthusiast.

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And even semi-automatic rifles are horribly lethal.  An assault rifle is for assaulting, not for use by the general population.

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« Reply #40 on: September 21, 2013, 01:26:57 am »
Yes, there have been incidents in places with strict(er) control, the most horrendous example being Norway in July 2012, but there are just so many more people dying by gunfire in the U.S.

I saw on the news that Starbucks have asked customers not to bring guns into their premises.   :wacky:

I'm relieved to live in a country where I can have a coffee without having to stare down the muzzle of an assault rifle.

 


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