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Buddhism for Degenerates
« on: October 11, 2012, 01:22:51 am »
OM YA HA HUM  :dharma:

In the Dharma, unless part of our culture, we bring a great deal of existing wisdom, baggage, karma and assumptions.  :smack:
For example, we may find some good in Westerm Magick, Catholicism, atheism or Islam (just relating some of my baggage).  :wacky:
The major arcana of the Wheel of Thoth (Manjushri) or Tarot (the Wheel - oh like the wheel of dharma) contains a pictorial representation of mind and mystical states. Forget the fortune telling and gambling with the cards, that is the usual degeneracy. Tarot is a complete wisdom system, a bit like mandala. Each card can be explored, meditated on and evoked. Powerful bolts of vajra lightening batman . . .  :D
Or let us take the Stations of the cross, a Catholic vajrayana mandala. It goes through Christs crucifixion. Power initiation is painted on the walls of my local church. Jesus Christ padme hum, we might say.  :D
How many of us are atheists? It is a valid stance for a Buddhist. There is no God! How do we improve the situation? Sounds good to me.  :namaste:
Why would I engage with fundamental alarmists, lamaists or islamists when great Sufi wisdom exists? There is no God but there is form. Or fana il fana, the emptiness of emptiness . . .

. . . and so on . . .

What do you bring? What do you transform? What do you leave behind?

“Breath the Dharma. Become the Buddha. Spread the Sangha.",
as Vajrapani whispered to me this very morning . . .  :jinsyx:

OM YA HA HUM

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Re: Buddhism for Degenerates
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2012, 01:28:11 am »
What do you leave behind?

Everything? :wink1:

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Re: Buddhism for Degenerates
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2012, 01:54:55 am »
"Enlightenment, for a wave in the ocean, is the moment the wave realises it is water." - Thich Nhat Hanh

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Re: Buddhism for Degenerates
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2012, 03:51:30 am »
Will you be leaving Nothing as well?  :)
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Re: Buddhism for Degenerates
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2012, 07:25:51 am »
What do you leave behind?

Everything? :wink1:

There's nothing to leave behind.

OM YADA YADA RAH RAH HUM!

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Re: Buddhism for Degenerates
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2012, 05:31:36 pm »
I was amused by the failings of Buddhism in real life on this blog
http://buddhismsucks.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/35-buddhas-of-confession.html

Some of us need stronger means. Well tried platitudes are certainly indicative of our tendencies towards [insert judgement of choice] . . . :teehee:

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Re: Buddhism for Degenerates
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2012, 02:51:47 am »
I was amused by the failings of Buddhism in real life on this blog
http://buddhismsucks.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/35-buddhas-of-confession.html


I think this blog says more about the author than about Buddhism. :wink1:

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Re: Buddhism for Degenerates
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2012, 04:20:52 pm »
Everything we express says something as much about us as it does the discussed subject.
Buddhism says more about the following than the Buddha.
The sangha that says little speaks volumes, sometimes in omissions.
We are expressions of our inner nature.
It is why Buddhism will fade away and become redundant. Rules. Certainties. The true doctrine v the tales of the lesser wheelies.
What can we do?
 Become Buddhas, own the sangha (our inner sanctity of Buddha arisings) and spread a little sane Dharma.
We all do that right? To the best of our understanding? If we do, it says a lot about us . . .

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Re: Buddhism for Degenerates
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2012, 06:26:54 pm »
I was amused by the failings of Buddhism in real life on this blog
http://buddhismsucks.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/35-buddhas-of-confession.html

I think this blog says more about the author than about Buddhism. :wink1:

Classic starting point for Dharma practice. Modern life is deeply chaotic. It takes a while to get past it.
Warning: I'm enough of a fundamentalist Tibet style Buddhist to believe that for the last 1,000 years Tibet has produced a handful of enlightened masters in every generation. I do not ask that YOU believe it, but it will greatly simplify conversations if you understand that about me. Thanks.

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Re: Buddhism for Degenerates
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2012, 02:47:44 am »
Classic starting point for Dharma practice. Modern life is deeply chaotic. It takes a while to get past it.

I've found that to practice effectively requires some simplification of the chaos. :wink1:

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Re: Buddhism for Degenerates
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2013, 01:37:00 am »
Chaos is perfectly ok.

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Re: Buddhism for Degenerates
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2013, 06:58:30 am »
Chaos is perfectly ok.

I prefer simplicity. :wink1:

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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2013, 07:45:01 am »
Patterns made by falling snow flakes are simple? Totally, until we make it otherwise.

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Re: Buddhism for Degenerates
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2013, 08:09:17 pm »
I haven't used a divination system in a while but Buddhism does allow the freedom of doing what you wish with the system of philosophy. I used to read Tarot and Runes, it's good to adopt these tools into Buddhism. Other systems of thought do not jive well with Buddhism such as selfish religions like Satanism, but Wicca, Kabbalah, and various forms of paganism could mesh well together. Thanks for this topic!

I immediately thought of Dharma Bums by Jack  Kerouac when I read this topic. Lots of wine drinking, train hopping, and orgies so far. I'll report more later :)

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Re: Buddhism for Degenerates
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2013, 02:26:35 pm »
I haven't used a divination system in a while but Buddhism does allow the freedom of doing what you wish with the system of philosophy. I used to read Tarot and Runes, it's good to adopt these tools into Buddhism. Other systems of thought do not jive well with Buddhism such as selfish religions like Satanism, but Wicca, Kabbalah, and various forms of paganism could mesh well together. Thanks for this topic!

I immediately thought of Dharma Bums by Jack  Kerouac when I read this topic. Lots of wine drinking, train hopping, and orgies so far. I'll report more later :)

Buddhism, like all religions/philosophies is whatever you make it.

But.....(sorry)  :namaste:

I have to say I disagree with you.

The one thing that really seperates the Buddha's teaching for me is the fact that it is so clear and so precise. In short the Buddha taught definitive modes of behaviour in order to reach Nibbana.

The difference between the Buddhist moral system and other systems is that Buddhist morality doesn't rely on 'good' and 'bad' in the classic sense but what is 'skilful' and 'unskilful' - for example being in awe of the wonders of the universe is not 'bad' in Buddhist morality - you wont burn in hell for being in awe of the universe - but it is unskilful in reference to the path.

(likewise you're not doing anything 'wrong' by wine drinking, train hopping and orgies' but you are partaking in unskilful behaviour).

So if one is 'practicing' Buddhism there is not the freedom to 'do what you wish', because if you're practicing doing certain things is detrimental - which is where the five precepts came from (and the substantially more precepts for monks and nuns).

It all comes down to identity - for example you may identify as Buddhist but that doesn't mean you are acting in accordance with Buddhism - in the same was as Islamic terrorists identify with Islam but are not acting in accordance with it - identifying yourself as something doesn't necessarily mean that you are living in line with that thing.

Now the above is all very technical - and I'm not saying you are 'wrong' for what you are saying, but I am saying what you are doing is identifying with Buddhism as a philosophical idea rather than the thing that the Buddha himself taught - and these two things are the difference between suffering and the end of suffering strictly according to what the Buddha taught.

I hope that doesn't come across as harsh because I promise it's not meant to  - nor am I judging you in any way shape or form - the point I'm trying to make is that Buddhism is not really any different to other systems in its acceptance of some behaviours not in line with its own teachings.

 :namaste:
Buddham saranam gacchāmi . Dharmam saranam gacchāmi . Sangham saranam gacchāmi

 


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