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Forum - from dullness to brightness and to dullness again.
« on: October 11, 2011, 11:16:31 pm »
Principle we are able to use everything, every place and every phenomena as a tool of practice.
The internet and forums seems sometimes a horrible place for practicing, but actually it is a very good place to come in touch with real practice as our normal surrounding is often very as usual and does not reflect much any more. We could say that the daily mirror might be often very dull.

Now looking in a different unusual mirror makes us often very disturbed and we are shocked about it. 

I need to think on a very young kitty I used to have. One day I thought to show here her reflection. Wohh! She (it was female) hissed and growled in a guttural fashion with hair-raising body. Not able to runaway she was so afraid of here reflection that she finally spend a penny on here own reflection. *smile*

Actually a mirror has its propose, we can look into it and see how we reflect and we can work on our outlook. Some might use it just as a tool to get used to there outlook, a kind of adaption could be hindrance in using this tool.

So how about your experiences, how to you use this tool? *smile*
What is important that our tool or mirror does not get dull again?

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Re: Forum - from dullness to brightness and to dullness again.
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2011, 09:41:13 pm »
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Good posting.
I'll share a secret with you. Buddhist chat on various Buddhist forums is my practice.
I try to use it to expand my exposure to different traditions of Buddhisim.
Often I read some posting that I don't agree with at first ... but I try not to criticse that post to quickly. Instead I try to understand what the poster really wanted and intended to say in his or her posting. If I am lucky, I can see a parralel between that Buddhist tradition and mine. Then I can compare the similarity and differences between what the poster thinks and what I think about the subject. That gives me a deeper understanding of my beliefs on that matter.
So, for me, reading posts on this forum and others is the equivalent of reading Suttras or comentary on the Dharma.

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Re: Forum - from dullness to brightness and to dullness again.
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2011, 11:04:18 pm »
Good posting too *smile*

I guess its a great attitude, if one looks for not criticize to quick. What makes you realize that you are on the way to criticize?
If you see postings, that you agree with or let me say, you like them. What is your reaction, are there similar thought?

I think forums are a good possibility to gain more intellectual knowledge, but I guess they are also very useable to gain other attainments and replications. Do you think posting in forums could be used for some kind of mindfulness training?

Thanks for sharing your sectrets *smile*

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Re: Forum - from dullness to brightness and to dullness again.
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2011, 11:16:14 pm »
Just sharing . To me at my current awareness , "the mirror" to look know "myself" is in all living and non-living surrounding me . I need a "mirror" , a "true mirror" reflecting on my real "self" , so that I could know and understand "myself " .........not a "mirror" of what I wish to see , or a mirror "designed to please me" or a "mirror created by my own knowledge" showing me what I already know of I wish to be ............

Human to me including myself is always blinded by ego due to the their knowledge that they believe is true and right......they feel proud of themselve of the knowledge that they believe is true ..........and practice it to "learn" Buddhism that infact they already known even before they practice it...............

Buddhism will be nothing than a creation of desire based on knowledge that they believe is true .

In searching purity , I am of the current awareness is that I have to free myself from all kind of ego , desire , expectation , knowledge .....and by accepting all living and non-living is same & equal with me that I could learn purity from them ..........but in no condition should I or anyone or anything should regard themself greater or better than others ...

There should be no tools , no disiplin , no culture , no tradition , no "master veses student" , no relationship , no guidlines in search of own purity.....there should be a total freedom of searching to learn themselves ..............

Buddhism is just like something to discover , I do not what it is until we aware of it , know it and understand it , is in all of us , is in major part of all living or non living regardless who we are whether a monk or serial killer...........is in all human , animal , viruses ,plant , table , rock , water etc.....

No tools , no practice ........just a search and a process of learning freeing "ownself".

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Re: Forum - from dullness to brightness and to dullness again.
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2011, 12:26:26 am »
I guess its a great attitude, if one looks for not criticize to quick.

Hear hear! :)

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Re: Forum - from dullness to brightness and to dullness again.
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2011, 02:03:15 am »
So was the process between the contact and your post a quick one? *smile* What was the intention to response?

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Re: Forum - from dullness to brightness and to dullness again.
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2011, 04:26:02 am »
They can be a very good learning tool sometimes if you excuse the looneys but then again they are good to develop patience with.  :teehee:
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Re: Forum - from dullness to brightness and to dullness again.
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2011, 07:40:59 am »
Of cause, it is also a good place to learn to make Dana (with our patient and our mental or intellectual wealth we share). Its a very good tool to learn to let go of ones own without wanting anything in return (honor, respect, applause or that they follow like we like to have them)
And we can practice the three stages of Dana. The good mind state before doing, the good mind state while doing and the good mind state after the deed, without destroying the harvest before actually ripen and remember just the good intention without being confused if things running different (maybe we did not give them freely but with an expectation)

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Re: Forum - from dullness to brightness and to dullness again.
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2011, 10:49:12 am »
And we can practice the three stages of Dana. The good mind state before doing, the good mind state while doing and the good mind state after the deed, without destroying the harvest before actually ripen and remember just the good intention without being confused if things running different (maybe we did not give them freely but with an expectation)

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Even better mind states of giving are: No giver, nothing given, no recipient, no harvest. :wink1:

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Re: Forum - from dullness to brightness and to dullness again.
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2011, 10:58:34 am »
For a real yogi (incl. right livelihood - no more taking what is not freely given) it would be not necessary for others it is often an intellectual loophole out of wrong views  :wink1:

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Re: Forum - from dullness to brightness and to dullness again.
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2011, 11:07:09 am »
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Moreover, Subhuti, a Bodhisattva who gives a gift should not be supported by a thing, nor should he be supported anywhere. When he gives gifts he should not be supported by sightobjects, nor by sounds, smells, tastes, touchables, or mind-objects. For, Subhuti, the Bodhisattva, the great being should give gifts in such a way that he is not supported by the
notion of a sign. And why? Because the heap of merit of that Bodhi-being, who unsupported gives a gift, is not easy to measure. What do you think, Subhuti, is the extent of space in the East easy to measure? Subhuti replied: No indeed, O Lord. The Lord asked: In like manner, is it easy to measure the extent of space in the South, West or North, downwards, upwards, in the intermediate directions, in all the ten directions all round? Subhuti replied: No indeed, O
Lord. The Lord said: Even so the heap of merit of that Bodhibeing who unsupported gives a gift is not easy to measure. That is why, Subhuti, those who have set out in the Bodhisattvavehicle, should give gifts without being supported by the notion of a sign.

Diamond sutra (transl. by E. Conze)

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Re: Forum - from dullness to brightness and to dullness again.
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2011, 11:21:22 am »
 :namaste: Both totally correct! *smile* It was just a windmill - post (against the negator of dana ) out of giving the written less attention than quick personal ideas/ thought  :) (some call it reading mistakes *smile*).

Thanks for sharing both!

 


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