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How best to meditate?
« on: July 28, 2013, 07:06:52 pm »
I do find a formal sitting time helpful. At the moment I sit with eyes shut, usually they are open, staring ahead, rather than lowered but modes change for me. For example I am thinking of moving into a formal practice of exercise based meditation.

I am also contemplating many short bursts of meditation throughout the day as this has proved helpful in the past.

I am a lay practitioner, not an ideal, so quite lax.

How are you doing?

I did the free aro meditation course, which ended in inappropriate wine guzzling meditation, possibly to instigate further interest and contact . . .
but I have no interest in some of their sillier behaviour.
The meditation course was excellent though.

Any recommended course or helpful advice for Freesangha that you have or are using?

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Re: How best to meditate?
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2013, 07:24:52 pm »
Doing meditation with eyes open is better.

Initially it is a bit difficult, but it will be effortless soon.

Because in your daily life, most of your aware time is with open eyes, you will be surprise that you can meditate almost anywhere whether you are in the toilet, or in the bus.

It becomes so natural finally.

Even when you sit and meditate, although you are going to meditate, there is no sense at all you are doing meditate.

Because that is what you have done and what you are doing all the time anywhere, anytime.
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Enlightenment is simply the clearing away of misunderstanding. When mistaken thinking is gone, liberation has happened. (Gampopa)


When we verbally indicate a thing as 'this' or 'that', our words, like rabbits's horns, are hollow names, mere fictive imputation upon what does not exist. (Longchenpa)

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Re: How best to meditate?
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2013, 07:30:34 pm »
Doing meditation with eyes open is better.

Initially it is a bit difficult, but it will be effortless soon.

Because in your daily life, most of your aware time is with open eyes, you will be surprise that you can meditate almost anywhere whether you are in the toilet, or in the bus.

It becomes so natural finally.
You ever try doing Mantra Meditation?

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Re: How best to meditate?
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2013, 07:36:35 pm »
The final mantra meditation is by the time you hear all voice whether good or bad as your mantra.

At that moment, all sounds are simply inseparable with your mantra whether you utter it or not.

But, for beginning, there is always this sense of separable. THat is why it is called beginner.



Enlightenment is simply the clearing away of misunderstanding. When mistaken thinking is gone, liberation has happened. (Gampopa)


When we verbally indicate a thing as 'this' or 'that', our words, like rabbits's horns, are hollow names, mere fictive imputation upon what does not exist. (Longchenpa)

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Re: How best to meditate?
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2013, 07:58:42 pm »
The final mantra meditation is by the time you hear all voice whether good or bad as your mantra.

At that moment, all sounds are simply inseparable with your mantra whether you utter it or not.

But, for beginning, there is always this sense of separable. THat is why it is called beginner.

Do you feel the mindfulness you get from mantra meditation is equal to the mindfulness you get from awareness of breath meditation?

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Re: How best to meditate?
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2013, 08:20:46 pm »
The mindfulness, awareness, aspect is the same.

The difference between breathing and mantra is how they change your energy.

Sound has effect. It has the ability to change.

People who do mantra meditation, thr knowledge of inner energy or chakras are inseparable. Because mantra works on that chakra level.

They simply have different way of working to wake you up from your Ling sleep.
Enlightenment is simply the clearing away of misunderstanding. When mistaken thinking is gone, liberation has happened. (Gampopa)


When we verbally indicate a thing as 'this' or 'that', our words, like rabbits's horns, are hollow names, mere fictive imputation upon what does not exist. (Longchenpa)

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Re: How best to meditate?
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2013, 09:06:32 pm »
The mindfulness, awareness, aspect is the same.

The difference between breathing and mantra is how they change your energy.

Sound has effect. It has the ability to change.

People who do mantra meditation, thr knowledge of inner energy or chakras are inseparable. Because mantra works on that chakra level.

They simply have different way of working to wake you up from your Ling sleep.

Do you find the use of mala beads to be a distraction when you are trying to achieve mindfulness through mantra meditation?

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Re: How best to meditate?
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2013, 09:17:14 pm »
The different meditation traditions, including mantra traditions, have all produced highly realized, incredibly wise masters. Most of the traditions have produced such masters within recent history or on this Earth currently. So I am inclined to believe that the actual methodology is not as important as finding a method that is a good match for one's own temperament and personality.

The best thing I ever did for myself was go on a formal meditation retreat, and stick with one particular methodology for a period of time.

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Re: How best to meditate?
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2013, 09:39:20 pm »
The different meditation traditions, including mantra traditions, have all produced highly realized, incredibly wise masters. Most of the traditions have produced such masters within recent history or on this Earth currently. So I am inclined to believe that the actual methodology is not as important as finding a method that is a good match for one's own temperament and personality.

The best thing I ever did for myself was go on a formal meditation retreat, and stick with one particular methodology for a period of time.
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Re: How best to meditate?
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2013, 12:36:13 am »
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Agreed


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What the enlightened do is not helpful initially. For example my teacher never meditated formally but was in a mindful state constantly.

We need calm and space in our mainstream.
http://aromeditation.org/

A retreat. Oh yeah . . . that too. Very inspiring. Worth checking what is near you . . .
Just found out there is a group, FWBO, very near me that I was unaware of. Do I go to the cinema (where they hire a room) or attend their meeting. Decisions. Decisions . . .
m m m . . . metta bhavna . . . yum . . .

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Re: How best to meditate?
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2013, 01:12:15 am »
http://aromeditation.org/


So do you recommend learning meditation from the internet, or do you think it's better getting face-to-face instruction?

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Re: How best to meditate?
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2013, 01:29:16 am »
For example my teacher never meditated formally but was in a mindful state constantly.

How do you know?

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Re: How best to meditate?
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2013, 01:33:13 am »
http://aromeditation.org/


So do you recommend learning meditation from the internet, or do you think it's better getting face-to-face instruction?


Thats a trick question.

I would rather learn meditation from the internet from you(spiny a devout follower with years of practice)
Than learn from certain zen monks (who inherited their fathers buisness)face to face.

And like wise vice a versa.

It honestly depends on the quality of instructions(and the worst part is if I knew exactly what was correct instructions to weed out frauds I probley wouldnt need a teacher since I already "know" what quality instructions are :cheesy:

Ah but then there is the unknown....but I know what quality instructions are......but if its the unknown then there might be something you dont know..but you just think you know.....

........so it all depends



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Re: How best to meditate?
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2013, 01:57:34 am »
It honestly depends on the quality of instructions(and the worst part is if I knew exactly what was correct instructions to weed out frauds I probley wouldnt need a teacher since I already "know" what quality instructions are :cheesy:

So if we are inexperienced in meditation, how do we know whether a particular set of meditation instructions are of quality?  Do we just have take it on trust and try it out, and if so for how long?  And if we're getting these instructions over the internet what particular problems might this bring?

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Re: How best to meditate?
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2013, 02:16:48 am »
It honestly depends on the quality of instructions(and the worst part is if I knew exactly what was correct instructions to weed out frauds I probley wouldnt need a teacher since I already "know" what quality instructions are :cheesy:

So if we are inexperienced in meditation, how do we know whether a particular set of meditation instructions are of quality?  Do we just have take it on trust and try it out, and if so for how long?  And if we're getting these instructions over the internet what particular problems might this bring?

Catch 22 being inexperienced we dont know.
We can cross reference with the suttas,or go with a majority view on the matter.
whether its the internet or face to face ,either way you will have to take it on trust.
You could get feed back over the internet just like in person........
In person your teacher could correct your posture and make sure your actually doing the practice.
(i personally prefer face to face so I can see if the teachers practice has actually helped him,if he has more problems than I do,how can he help me..it would be like a blind helping another blind man cross the road)

 


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