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Illusory peace
« on: November 09, 2011, 01:40:23 am »
At our backside door we could preserve some square meters on a land gap between buildings naturally and plants as animals have there refuge in the murderous city of sensations and concrete.
Siting there today I saw ants milking plant louse. I showed it the boy we are taking care of. He was amazed to see ants with a livelihood like farmers.
Its very a very disquietingly time the last days and a colony of ants had build a huge castle around one flower pot two days ago. The rains are not over jet. While sitting there and talking to the boy, I saw a big stream of ants rushing very differently like normal in one direction. "Do you see that ants? They are for war. Can you see the different in their kind of walking. Strait, all in one direction, less taking care of the places beside the street. Take a look where they are fighting each other."
The boy followed the stream. "Really! Here is the battlefield. They fight each other with no mercy. Everywhere detached body parts and feet and heads. Look they even do not stop to kill each other and stop biting if you lift one.", while he showed me some ants dogged biting each other on a little peace of stick.
"What do you think, is it possible to stop this war? Look they would not give attention to anything." I walked into the house and took a hand full of rice. "Such huge delusion can be stopped only by another delusion." I but the rice on the supply road of the never ending stream of soldiers running for war.
I the first moment, there was no change. There streamed left and right of the rice mount. Then one got aware of the food and lifted on corn. Two, three... The stream got stuck. The whole coming group stopped step by step at the hill and assembled there. Some started to take rice corns and carry them back to their castle. After some minutes soldier from the battlefield also left the place.
"Look, what do you think. Did we made peace?" I asked him. "I am not sure," he answered.
"That is what happened all over our world today. As long as those "peacemaker" are able to force desire wars will stop. Actually the delusion is still the same. From hatred to greed. They will use the food and expand there empires, families and folks and when the day comes that they are out of the resources the battle will be just more incredible and more cruel. But this time of stilled desire would be a time of teaching and attaining real peace, unfortunately they would not understand. Now there is illusory peace. May many understand the fake, may many see the world burning even it seams like cooled down, my the teaching go on." 

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Re: Illusory peace
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2011, 07:47:50 pm »
I guess "illusory peace" is preferable to "illusory war" ... in most cases it is a condition for peace. rarely is "illusory war" a condition for peace.

To be born as a human enjoying "illusory peace" is considered a precious human life.  :)

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Re: Illusory peace
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2011, 08:18:24 pm »
Even we are charmed of our past merits its good to remember anicca *smile*, as for it will never last. To strive to keep it alive will have it effects and its not over jet.

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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2011, 08:39:49 pm »
Even we are charmed of our past merits its good to remember anicca
anicca is just a memory and it is just based on memory.
How this?
"anicca" is just a memory in that you have learned the idea and the term "anicca". In actuality there is no "anicca".
"anicca" is just based on memory in that the idea "anicca" arises remembering past moments.

To strive to keep it alive will have it effects and its not over jet.
To strive to keep the idea "anicca" alive will certainly also have its effects which are not necessarily wholesome.


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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2011, 10:35:43 pm »
We have lots of arguments to turn not simply to virtue *smile* every cause has its effect. Just observing and turn step by step in the right direction. Memory is still useful as long virtue is not really natural yet.

In this case anicca was quoted in relation to: "To be born as a human enjoying "illusory peace" is considered a precious human life."
What ever comes next depends on our right intention. Heavenly lifes also do not last and deeper states we would not enjoy in any way. *smile*

Human life is short and rare and full of possibilities. We just need to choose the right. Neither love nor dislike is a smart way.
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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2011, 10:52:48 pm »
We have lots of arguments to turn not simply to virtue *smile*
Clinging to the idea "anicca" is not a virtue

What ever comes next depends on our right intention.
Clinging to the idea "right intention" is not a virtue either.

What is virtue? To abandon "anicca" and "right intention" is virtue.


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« Last Edit: November 10, 2011, 10:55:44 pm by TMingyur. »

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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2011, 11:15:49 pm »
We have so many possibilities to develop ideas in our nice surrounding.  :teehee: Less things to observe just like they are, *smile* and nothings to worry as we have abandon "anicca".
We are lucky, we live in a different time. Never was live that easy and what happens happens...

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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2011, 11:18:10 pm »
Now that effluents have been temporarily cleared, let's go back ...

Why should the idea of "anicca" make the idea of "precious human life" any different?
Why should the idea of "illusory peace" undermine the benefits of the idea of "precious human life"?

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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2011, 11:29:39 pm »
Ideas are ideas. They are sometimes good compensations but do not really help, one self and others. *smile*

Contradiction is always just a matter of or thought. If we keep it simple we can annihilate contradiction step by step. But not by ideas, just by wholesome thoughts, of right intention. We but it simply into action and even into our right livelihood.

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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2011, 11:35:29 pm »
Now you exhibit a proselytizing preacher's habit of applying the persuasive "we" and "our" :lmfao:

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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2011, 11:43:40 pm »
The person seems to be a useful habitually relief pressure valve. *smile* Maybe better than anicca. How every, if we do not forget to look at our own action, there is for sure no problem in using it. And after a while, if the pressure is gone, we need to close the valve again. Otherwise all the pressure is gone and increasing humidness it leads to rust-streaked in our protection. *smile*

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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2011, 11:46:44 pm »
Contradiction is always just a matter of or thought. If we keep it simple we can annihilate contradiction step by step.
If you stop clinging to thought (i.e. ideas) you won't experience "contradiction".

But not by ideas, just by wholesome thoughts, of right intention.
Hey ideas are thoughts :)
But here's the point. Your intention is to replace one thought/idea by another.


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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2011, 11:50:13 pm »
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The mind is burning, mental phenomena are burning, mind -consciousness is burning, mind-contact is burning, and whatever feeling arises with mind-contact as condition - whether pleasant or painful or neither- painful-nor- pleasant - that too is burning. Burning with what? Burning with the fire of lust, with the fire of hatred, with the fire of delusion. Burning with birth, aging, and death; with sorrow, lamentation, pain, displeasure, and despair, I say ... 
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Seeing thus, bhikkhus, the instructed noble disciple experiences revulsion towards the mind, towards mental phenomena, towards mind-consciousness, towards mind-contact, towards whatever feeling arises with mind-contact as condition - whether pleasant or painful or neither- painful-nor- pleasant.
Experiencing revulsion, he becomes dispassionate. Through dispassion [his mind] is liberated. When it is liberated there comes the knowledge 'It's liberated.' He understands: 'Destroyed s birth, the holy life has been lived, what had to be done has been done, there is no more for this state of being.'"

SN 35.28

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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2011, 12:11:21 am »
Contradiction is always just a matter of or thought. If we keep it simple we can annihilate contradiction step by step.
If you stop clinging to thought (i.e. ideas) you won't experience "contradiction".

But not by ideas, just by wholesome thoughts, of right intention.
Hey ideas are thoughts :)
But here's the point. Your intention is to replace one thought/idea by another.
That is what many try, as they seek for a way without to change their habits. *smile* Upekkha vedanas can be easy developed with a good touch of nihilism in this way. Upekkha has to go through lot of effort and processes first. After heavenly realms the difficult realms are very next.
We should never forget which kind of people Buddha had talk to. *smile* We can jump high, in the same way we fall back again. A solid step forward is of more value than a jump on a slippery place. Of cause we can also reach perfection in jumping from one slippery place to the other, as long as we have a lot of merits (credit) some accidents will not damage much. Unlucky if we could slip also at the end of such a "precious human life".  *smile*

If we count everything we are always faster while just walking step by step. No need to worry the fast planes will be soon on your backside again. This journeys are still spinning on the same round till we develop the whole eightfold path.

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Re: Illusory peace
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2011, 10:02:39 am »
Why is it that attachment to ideas that cause pleasurable vedana makes buddhist people think of "nihilism" once their desire for affirmation is not satisfied? :teehee:


Unlucky if we could slip also at the end of such a "precious human life".  *smile*
Such kind of "fear mongering" reminds me of catholic priests "You will go to hell if you do not believe!" :lmfao:


Hey .... just let go of your ideas ... it won't hurt :)


There are many kinds of right view with effluents, not just the ones you are attached to ... but there is only one right view without effluents  :wink1:


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