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Offline Lobster

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What ended your practice?
« on: June 26, 2013, 06:50:24 pm »
As we all know practice makes perfect.
Perfect what? Practice?

What is left when the means, goal and platitudes are chopped wood?

Plant new trees? Burn the dead wood? Carry the pale?

Onward and upward, sideways and inward
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Re: What ended your practice?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2013, 07:57:49 pm »
Your practice will end when you experience no referential points in your daily life in all your activities.

In that direct experience, you have a full experience that nothing can be increased, and nothing can be decreased.

You are absolutely free of reference in the midst of thoughts, midst of sound, midst of activities.

When you talk, there is a direct experience free of referential points or target.

There is nothing more can be done in that experience.

No meditation, no distraction, in all activities, speaking, playing, sleeping, squating, jumping, thinking, doing, walking, not doing, all activities.
Enlightenment is simply the clearing away of misunderstanding. When mistaken thinking is gone, liberation has happened. (Gampopa)


When we verbally indicate a thing as 'this' or 'that', our words, like rabbits's horns, are hollow names, mere fictive imputation upon what does not exist. (Longchenpa)

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Re: What ended your practice?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2013, 10:01:38 pm »
As we all know practice makes perfect.
What is called "practice"? The restlessness of aggregates. Are these rendered perfect by their own restlessness?

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Re: What ended your practice?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2013, 10:43:48 pm »
I practice meditation.

All I know is that my practice can not end.
Even if I want it ended, I do not have the method
or knowledge.

It was a part of my life in previous births if any
and it is bound to continue in future lives if any.

There is at present no desire to end it as it has always
added positive in my life.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2013, 10:57:04 pm by riju »

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Re: What ended your practice?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2013, 10:51:50 pm »
Your practice will end

Famous list of last words? Which end trained you to talk like that?

'I wandered lonely as a cloud' . . . oops not the empty zenith . . .

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Re: What ended your practice?
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2013, 12:04:44 am »
Basically you are asking about experience. And you know experience cannot be described by words, just like experience of sweet cannot be described. The best you can say is sweet. And only those who ever taste sugar, that word of sweet makes them understand. For those who never taste sugar, the word sweet, even they know how to pronounce, how to remember, it doesn't count at all. That word sweet doesn't mean anything basically.

Now, if you look yourself, there is this sense of reference, which this I. When you look into the tree, there is this sense of tree. And so on.

All this senses are actually your degree of ignorance.

By the time, you have fully realized, those kind of senses are no longer there. You don't have any sense of I, any sense of belonging at all.

THere is this kind of openness in whatever you do. And you can only have that kind of openness when you have fully realized no referential points. Even you see the mountain, as if you can see through it, because you no longer have the sense of mountain when your eyes look at the mountain.

By the time, you somehow called "Got it", there is nothing more to do. Because at that moment, you realize that whatever you do, it cannot improve anything. You don't do anything, it also cannot make the things worse.

Whatever happening, there is always this sense of openness, free of description, free of assertion.

There is this kind of openness, like a robber enter the empty house. Absolutely no worry at all. Free from hope and fear.

This sense of openness, once you "get it", you simply be it.

There is this sense of no doing, when you do.
There is this sense of no talking, when you talk.
THere is this sense of no thinking, when you think.

Open, fully open, like space, no referential points, there is a sense of lightness. It cannot be covered by anything.

When you have that, your samaya is simply no meditation and no distraction at all times in your daily lifes.

When you just "got it", it is very unstable, so you need to maintain that no meditation and no distraction. You need an effort to be like that.

But, when you keepo doing that, you will be simply in no meditation and no distraction without effort.

Like driving, for a beginner you need effort. When you keep driving, no more efforts in driving.



Enlightenment is simply the clearing away of misunderstanding. When mistaken thinking is gone, liberation has happened. (Gampopa)


When we verbally indicate a thing as 'this' or 'that', our words, like rabbits's horns, are hollow names, mere fictive imputation upon what does not exist. (Longchenpa)

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Re: What ended your practice?
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2013, 12:38:34 am »
But is there a sense of no typing when you type???
to me, the signs of a successful practice are happiness and a cessation of suffering, buddhism often gives me this; not all the answers.

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Re: What ended your practice?
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2013, 12:53:21 am »
But is there a sense of no typing when you type???
There may be a lack of sense of "[I am] typing" when typing, but to call this "sense of no typing" (affirmative) is certainly misleading.

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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2013, 01:06:15 am »
But is there a sense of no typing when you type???

It is not like you are a living zombie.

When you type, you will normally have this strong sense of "I am typing".

That sense of fixation is no longer there.

When you meditate, you will normally have this strong sense of " I am meditating". THat sense of fixation is also no longer there.

When you don't meditate, you can also have the sense of "I am not meditating". THat sense of fixation is also no longer there.

In this way, there is no slight of difference at all between doing meditation or not, because you no longer distracted to fixation like this or that.

Absolutely no fixation like that at all. And you have no sense of that fixation as well.

It is very spacious, very open.

But, if you distract just a bit, you will have the sense of I am typing.


Enlightenment is simply the clearing away of misunderstanding. When mistaken thinking is gone, liberation has happened. (Gampopa)


When we verbally indicate a thing as 'this' or 'that', our words, like rabbits's horns, are hollow names, mere fictive imputation upon what does not exist. (Longchenpa)

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Re: What ended your practice?
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2013, 01:06:37 am »
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When you just "got it", it is very unstable, so you need to maintain that no meditation and no distraction. You need an effort to be like that.
If you "got it" and it is unstable, then you've got the wrong thing. If you have to learn it, it's a construct. But let all effort go, and allow yourself to be effortless, whether you are speaking, singing, dancing or sitting still, and you will walk the Way.  Principles are very simple. There are many mysterious names for mysterious states in Buddhism. Don't let yourself be deceived.

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Re: What ended your practice?
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2013, 01:20:16 am »
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When you just "got it", it is very unstable, so you need to maintain that no meditation and no distraction. You need an effort to be like that.
If you "got it" and it is unstable, then you've got the wrong thing.
If consciousness "wrong" arises then that's just an instance of lack of mindfulness ... but never mind just let it be lack of mindfulness and relax.

If you have to learn it, it's a construct.
Never mind. Just let it be construct and relax.

But let all effort go, and allow yourself to be effortless, ...
Whether effort or no effort, never mind, just relax. 

Don't let yourself be deceived.
Don't let, let, do, don't ... what cares?  :fu:

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Re: What ended your practice?
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2013, 01:26:52 am »
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If consciousness "wrong" arises then that's just an instance of lack of mindfulness
Nonsense. Go into sutras and see how many times word "wrong" appears. If there is no mindfulness, where does the "wrong" arise?
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Never mind. Just let it be construct and relax.
It seems you are selling an advice you cannot use yourself. Never mind never minding, and relax.
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Don't let, let, do, don't ... what cares?
Don't know. Why do you wan't to know something you don't know? Stay with that you know, you will not have to doubt anything.

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Re: What ended your practice?
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2013, 01:27:08 am »
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When you just "got it", it is very unstable, so you need to maintain that no meditation and no distraction. You need an effort to be like that.
If you "got it" and it is unstable, then you've got the wrong thing. If you have to learn it, it's a construct. But let all effort go, and allow yourself to be effortless, whether you are speaking, singing, dancing or sitting still, and you will walk the Way.  Principles are very simple. There are many mysterious names for mysterious states in Buddhism. Don't let yourself be deceived.

Anyway, I haven't got it. So, it is not in my scope.
Enlightenment is simply the clearing away of misunderstanding. When mistaken thinking is gone, liberation has happened. (Gampopa)


When we verbally indicate a thing as 'this' or 'that', our words, like rabbits's horns, are hollow names, mere fictive imputation upon what does not exist. (Longchenpa)

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Re: What ended your practice?
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2013, 01:30:36 am »
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When you just "got it", it is very unstable, so you need to maintain that no meditation and no distraction. You need an effort to be like that.
If you "got it" and it is unstable, then you've got the wrong thing. If you have to learn it, it's a construct. But let all effort go, and allow yourself to be effortless, whether you are speaking, singing, dancing or sitting still, and you will walk the Way.  Principles are very simple. There are many mysterious names for mysterious states in Buddhism. Don't let yourself be deceived.

Anyway, I haven't got it. So, it is not in my scope.
I see... I got it many times in the unstable state, and I thought that I have to maintain it, so I brought effort in.... and it was gone.

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Re: What ended your practice?
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2013, 01:51:08 am »
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If consciousness "wrong" arises then that's just an instance of lack of mindfulness
Nonsense. Go into sutras and see how many times word "wrong" appears. If there is no mindfulness, where does the "wrong" arise?
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Never mind. Just let it be construct and relax.
It seems you are selling an advice you cannot use yourself. Never mind never minding, and relax.
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Don't let, let, do, don't ... what cares?
Don't know. Why do you wan't to know something you don't know? Stay with that you know, you will not have to doubt anything.

Calm.

Just observe how same old habits creep in while thinking "effortless", thinking "effort is bad and effortless good", "construct is bad, unconditioned is good" ... just ideas, relax.
There is just no way out because there never has been a way in  :fu:

 


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