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Offline Lobster

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When will enlightenment happen?
« on: January 06, 2013, 10:55:02 pm »
http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Thirty-seven_factors_of_enlightenment
We are all on the path to enlightenment . . . or are we?

How serious is our commitment? Are we hobby, part time or partially Buddhist?  <3

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2013, 11:01:25 pm »
It is an idea and it can only be affirmed as such.  :fu:

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2013, 07:35:29 am »
How serious is our commitment? Are we hobby, part time or partially Buddhist?  <3

Being a hobbyist sounds quite nice. :teehee:

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2013, 01:34:08 am »
Hobby is probably healthy, can we be too dharmically tight? Too one pointed to see the wood for the trees . . . Maybe life is the hobby?  :D

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2013, 01:34:16 am »
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When will enlightenment happen?
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Offline TenzinTamdrin

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2013, 01:37:42 am »
Well I would like enlightenment to occur this lifetime but it would most likely occur in future lifetimes. I still haven't secured any special insights into the teachings and I don't recall much the lamrim yet and I am not practicing any higher Tantric practices. Looks like I am booked for arriving at my destination further up in the future.

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2013, 11:00:49 am »
The pertinent question, what did Siddhartha or the Bodhisattva actually awaken to by which he became 'Buddha', awakened?

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2013, 11:27:17 am »
When you begin to realize Truth?...

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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2013, 03:48:50 am »
The pertinent question, what did Siddhartha or the Bodhisattva actually awaken to by which he became 'Buddha', awakened?

Things as they really are?

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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2013, 08:34:23 am »
The pertinent question, what did Siddhartha or the Bodhisattva actually awaken to by which he became 'Buddha', awakened?

Things as they really are?

Seeing things as they are (yathabhutam) is equivalent to seeing the true nature of things (dhammatâ). Of course almost nobody sees things are they are. They see them through the filters of their biases, prejudices, introjections, etc

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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2013, 09:42:40 am »
The pertinent question, what did Siddhartha or the Bodhisattva actually awaken to by which he became 'Buddha', awakened?

The classic story is that the Buddha attained enlightenment while sitting under the Bo tree.
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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2013, 09:46:54 am »
I like Barah's reply - yesterday. One of the things the Buddha understood was that enlightenment, like time itself is a concept we have created in our own minds. The truth is, we are already enlightened. We already have that perfection. That was his whole teaching in a nutshell. We are already there. The "realization" that most equate with enlightenment is just that - the realization of our already enlightened minds.

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« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2013, 10:05:38 am »
The truth is, we are already enlightened. We already have that perfection. That was his whole teaching in a nutshell. We are already there. The "realization" that most equate with enlightenment is just that - the realization of our already enlightened minds.
I'd like to offer a true story as an analogy:

Years ago a friend of mine went through a hard time. Her husband came down with cancer and the medical bills bankrupted them. The morning he died was the same morning that she got her eviction notice. Shortly thereafter her car died, so she had no way of getting a job. She was supporting her 2 year old son and her aged father. Things were desperate.

Fast forward ten years. She had a successful career selling real estate. She was remarried to an affluent gentleman and was doing quite well. They both came to town on a business conference and were staying at a very upscale hotel. I came by to have lunch with her.

As we were walking around we passed a small art gallery. In it was a collection of paintings by a local artist that were selling for tens of thousands of dollars each. She was stunned, because that artist had been a close friend of her deceased mother's. She had a stack of paintings by that artist in her garage, presumably worth  a small fortune--and she'd had them all throughout her hard times!

So yes, we "already have that perfection". But if we can't locate it, it does us no good. But once we find it, we will retroactively see that we had it all the time to begin with!
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Warning: I'm enough of a fundamentalist Tibet style Buddhist to believe that for the last 1,000 years Tibet has produced a handful of enlightened masters in every generation. I do not ask that YOU believe it, but it will greatly simplify conversations if you understand that about me. Thanks.

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2013, 01:12:43 pm »
The truth is, we are already enlightened. We already have that perfection. That was his whole teaching in a nutshell. We are already there. The "realization" that most equate with enlightenment is just that - the realization of our already enlightened minds.
I'd like to offer a true story as an analogy:

Years ago a friend of mine went through a hard time. Her husband came down with cancer and the medical bills bankrupted them. The morning he died was the same morning that she got her eviction notice. Shortly thereafter her car died, so she had no way of getting a job. She was supporting her 2 year old son and her aged father. Things were desperate.

Fast forward ten years. She had a successful career selling real estate. She was remarried to an affluent gentleman and was doing quite well. They both came to town on a business conference and were staying at a very upscale hotel. I came by to have lunch with her.

As we were walking around we passed a small art gallery. In it was a collection of paintings by a local artist that were selling for tens of thousands of dollars each. She was stunned, because that artist had been a close friend of her deceased mother's. She had a stack of paintings by that artist in her garage, presumably worth  a small fortune--and she'd had them all throughout her hard times!

So yes, we "already have that perfection". But if we can't locate it, it does us no good. But once we find it, we will retroactively see that we had it all the time to begin with!

Awesome!  This remnds me of something from the Lotus Sutra.

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The Concealed Gem (chapter 8)

A poor man visits a rich friend, gets drunk, and passes out. The rich man, who has to leave on business, gives his poor man a priceless gem, which he sews into the lining of his friend's clothes. When the poor man comes to, he resumes his life as a vagrant, unaware of the treasure he received during his blackout. Later, he meets the rich man again, who shows him where the gem is concealed, and the poor man realizes his wealth. In the story, the rich man is the Buddha; the poor man is a sattva, drunk with the passions; and the jewel is the truth about the Buddha Nature.

Source: Robert K.C. Forman, The Innate Capacity.

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2013, 05:38:52 pm »
We (and all sentient beings for that matter) already possess the enlightened nature of our True Mind that is not-born and doesn't die.  But we can't quite say that we are enlightened just as yet.  Otherwise, there would be no need to apply right effort (and all the other factors of the Noble Eightfold Path) to realize it - so you still need effort applied in the right way.  The difference is that the Buddha, the great Bodhisattvas and the Arhats have realized this mind.  We have not realized it yet - even though it's right there even as we read this post.

In fact, we use this awareness everyday, yet remain oblivious to it.  It's like saying, "Where's my eyes?  Where's my eyes?  Have you seen where my eyes are?  Can you help me to look for them, please?"  Looking around everywhere for your eyes to the ends of the earth, yet not realizing that you have been using your eyes all this time.

This is the principle behind the meditation practices of asking, "Who?" e.g., "Who is reading this post?", "Who is reciting the Buddha's name?"  These questions are pointers - they point to where you should be looking and investigating.  In essence, these questions are trying to get your awareness to be aware of itself.

 


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