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Offline J. McKenna

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2013, 09:01:43 pm »
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When will enlightenment happen?

 
 
 
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...i found there was no "i" anywhere.....

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2013, 03:11:57 am »
The pertinent question, what did Siddhartha or the Bodhisattva actually awaken to by which he became 'Buddha', awakened?

Things as they really are?

Seeing things as they are (yathabhutam) is equivalent to seeing the true nature of things (dhammatâ). Of course almost nobody sees things are they are. They see them through the filters of their biases, prejudices, introjections, etc

Yes, we're all deluded. :wink1:

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2013, 01:56:59 pm »
[size=90]what I want is a view. Hannibal Lecter[/size]

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2013, 01:19:33 am »
 :namaste:

Thanks great answers guys. So we need to uncover the jewel, reveal the already existing? I find the range of Buddhist practices useful in this regard . . .

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2013, 05:14:53 am »
http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Thirty-seven_factors_of_enlightenment
We are all on the path to enlightenment . . . or are we?

How serious is our commitment? Are we hobby, part time or partially Buddhist?  <3

I guess the question it self should latest be a remarkable sign for the answer. You could really do something for it, if you like, but as long the reasons are not enough...

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2013, 05:37:59 pm »
Ta-hui (1089–1163), who was then a student of Zen master, Yüan-wu, was given the following koan by his teacher to contemplate:  “The eastern mountain sails up the river.”  Making forty-nine attempts at answering the koan, poor Ta-hui came up empty handed.  It was only after he grasped the spiritual intent of the koan, itself, that he was then able to answer it successfully.

Answer this koan and you may know when enlightenment will happen. :D

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2013, 09:30:49 pm »
Some need/want to wait till a princess (or darkini) will find them in their deep well and give them a liberating kiss.  :curtain:

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2013, 06:40:15 pm »
Story from another tradition:

Mulla Nasrudin had an insatiable craving for knowledge, but did not seem to know what knowledge was. As a result he asked a local wise man the stupidest questions, always based upon random assumptions
One day the Mull a noticed that his donkey was missing. He ran to the wise man's house.
'Well, Mulla, what is it this time?'
'My donkey is gone! Where can I find it?'
The wise man was quite fed up with the Mulla. 'Nasrudin,' he said, 'the donkey has run off, turned into a man and been appointed the magistrate in the next town.'
Thanking the wise man for his information, the Mulla trudged to the court. There sat the magistrate, and Nasrudin shook his fist at him:
'Come home at once, you foolish animal!'
The magistrate was furious. 'Who are you and how dare you talk to me like that? I'll have you sent to the cells!'
'I'm the well-known Mulla Nasrudin, and I have it on the best authority that you are my donkey.'
'That's ridiculous. Nobody in his right senses would credit such a thing!'
Nasrudin drew himself up to his full height. 'Say what you like he said, 'I prefer to believe the statement of a wise man rather than that of a donkey.'

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2013, 08:49:05 pm »
I never saw you quoting anything from another tradition  :curtain: Be careful that you don't miss the kind of discussion group.

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2014, 12:57:00 pm »
I like Barah's reply - yesterday. One of the things the Buddha understood was that enlightenment, like time itself is a concept we have created in our own minds. The truth is, we are already enlightened. We already have that perfection. That was his whole teaching in a nutshell. We are already there. The "realization" that most equate with enlightenment is just that - the realization of our already enlightened minds.

Exactly my thoughts. Well said
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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2014, 02:00:30 pm »
It is none other than the sweet taste of the Dharma.

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2014, 02:56:22 pm »
Still waiting for the train to arrive. :D
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2014, 02:02:30 am »
Enlightenment seems to me too big a word, like something which lies ahead, remote in some far off future (or future life). I have not yet grown into this big concept, so I settle for inner peace, or some sort of homeshift happiness until my intellect can grasp the bigger meaning.
Zen psychotherapist David Brazier says that Enlightenment is simply a change of perception. Life, every day life, does not change, but what changes is the way we perceive it.
If by Enlightenment we mean that, yes I sort of strive towards this enlightenment that will enable me to stand firm on my two feet in this world of affliction and come to a degree of acceptance of the things I cannot change.

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2014, 06:21:16 am »
Hi, dd.

Personally, I like the idea of "unbinding and release", which has more to do with shedding attachments, elimination of all perversions of addiction, shackles, hindrances, taints, fetters, longings, passions, love, like, want, craving, desire, and etc.  Once these have dissipated, then I imagine my mind being able to see more clearly as to the true nature of reality.  This is what I have come to understand as the concept of a "luminous mind".

Now luminous does not mean enlightened.  Enlightenment comes with skills and capacities honed from experience and understanding of outcomes and consequences.  I think enlightenment would eventually be the natural result of wisdom were it not for the biological deterioration due to aging, disease and death.  So, it appears that there is a prerequisite to enlightenment, which requires the defeat of aging, disease, and death.  I don't even think "Sakyamuni Buddha" avoided that road block, at least, not according to the historical stories, documenting his parinibbana.

resource for further study:  http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/dn/dn.16.1-6.vaji.html

« Last Edit: April 03, 2017, 09:18:38 am by Ron-the-Elder »
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: When will enlightenment happen?
« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2014, 07:40:01 am »
Enlightenment seems to me too big a word, like something which lies ahead, remote in some far off future (or future life). I have not yet grown into this big concept, so I settle for inner peace, or some sort of homeshift happiness until my intellect can grasp the bigger meaning.
Zen psychotherapist David Brazier says that Enlightenment is simply a change of perception. Life, every day life, does not change, but what changes is the way we perceive it.
If by Enlightenment we mean that, yes I sort of strive towards this enlightenment that will enable me to stand firm on my two feet in this world of affliction and come to a degree of acceptance of the things I cannot change.

Hi DD and welcome to Free Sangha.

As usual, my friend Dharmavida has a knack for hitting the nail on the head --- it's exactly that, simply a change of perception, something that's better translated as "awakened", the state of being awake. It's not so much an issue of biological deterioration, as Ron has stated, but more related to a tendency to run on auto-pilot when we're asleep at the helm, so to speak.

The following excerpt provides one of the better analogies related to this:

A rough analogy of our situation can be found in the process of sleep. When we go to sleep there is an initial period of complete unconsciousness, a very deep sleep in which there is no dreaming, no conscious activity at all. This state corresponds to the causal factor of fundamental ignorance. During the night, however, there is from time to time a certain re-awakening of conscious activity, which produces the many kinds of illusion we call dreams. These can sometimes be very frightening, nightmarish experiences, which correspond to the suffering in samsara produced by ignorance. In the dream state, as in the waking experience of samsara, there is mental activity, which arises out of unawareness. In the morning, before we actually wake up, the body begins to stir, and consciousness starts to approach the waking state. For the purpose of our analogy, we can say this period corresponds to the arising of such virtuous tendencies in the mind as faith, compassion, energy, and exertion in Dharma practice. Then follows the actual awakening, when we stretch in bed, get up, begin to move around, and start our activities for the day. In our analogy, this corresponds to achieving Enlightenment -— we have completely awakened. We are not just in the dream state, which is our present condition, and not just half awake in Dharma practice, which is instilling and developing these good qualities in us; instead, we are totally awake, able to get up and be effective.

The Dharma That Illuminates All Beings Impartially
Kalu Rinpoche
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