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Theraveda / Re: Bhikkhu Samahita
« Last post by Chaz on January 21, 2020, 04:29:58 pm »
It's interesting that suicide is in the top ten causes of deaths in males. I wonder if we as Buddhist are doing enough about it? One of the interesting things I learned during my 20-odd years going to the Buddhist centre was how long it took the men going there to have the same kind of relationship with others that the women had straight away. We can't do much about those who only attend briefly, but otherwise it's something to think about.

Very true, but how can you tell and what should you do?

Myquestion is what causez a monk to commit suicide?  Yes, I suppose there were problems.  Undoubtedly.  Just the same you wouldn't expect a monk to commit suicide.  Well, they still pull their pants on one lerg at a time like everyone else, so I guess the commit suicide for the same reasons other people do.  I guess it's because I don't see monks the same way as I see others.  That's not right,  it's spiritual materialism, for sure, but still doesn't satisfy my question about why.


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The Dharma Express / Pema Chodron Resigns
« Last post by Chaz on January 18, 2020, 07:08:56 am »
Lion's Roar is running a story, reporting that Pema Chodron is resigning as an Acharya in the Shambhala mandala.  Although there have been rumors/speculation about Ani Pema, for some years, this is reorted as a resignation.

https://www.lionsroar.com/pema-chodron-steps-down-from-shambhala-position/

"Acharya" is a title given to senior teachers in some Tibetan lineages.

The reason reported is the Ani Pema is "disheartened" by news that the Sakyong is planning to return to teaching this year with the the approval of the board.  The Sakyong had stepped down from his yeaching/leadership role about a year ago in the wake of allegations of sexual and physical abuse of students.

On a personal note I support Ani Pema's decision and agree with her reasons.  The Sakyong should not return to teaching, now, if ever.

Of interest is that this follows resignation of another Shambhala Acharya just a few days ago (although probably not direcly related):  https://shambhalatimes.org/2020/01/14/david-schneider-steps-back-from-the-role-of-acharya/

It's a frikkin train-wreck.

Your thoughts?
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Theraveda / Re: Bhikkhu Samahita
« Last post by stillpointdancer on January 18, 2020, 04:31:03 am »
It's interesting that suicide is in the top ten causes of deaths in males. I wonder if we as Buddhist are doing enough about it? One of the interesting things I learned during my 20-odd years going to the Buddhist centre was how long it took the men going there to have the same kind of relationship with others that the women had straight away. We can't do much about those who only attend briefly, but otherwise it's something to think about.
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Theraveda / Bhikkhu Samahita
« Last post by Chaz on January 16, 2020, 08:28:21 pm »
Tonight I foundthat Bhikkhu Samahita, a monk, well known to many long-time online Buddhists, died by suicide back in October.

Samahita posted teachings here on Free Sangha until 2015.  I assume that at least some of these teachings were edited and posted by his students and I don't know why he stopped posting.

Samahita also had a web site called What the Buddha Said that served as a repository for his copious teaching in the Theravada

http://www.what-buddha-said.net/index-htm/
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The Dharma Express / Re: Cultural Appropriation in Western Buddhism
« Last post by Chaz on January 08, 2020, 06:57:48 pm »
That's true, MM, but it's not the subject at hand.  My intent was tto discuss appropriation and the word dukkha is a great example.  Dukkha is a word that has different meanings, depending on context, and that's good, except nobody knows what it means and that's bad.

Maybe we should use the word "sucks".

There is that which sucks.  It sucks for a reason.  It can cease to suck.  The path to the cessation of sucking.

To say something sucks can have somewhat different meanings depending on context/usage.  And everyone in the western world knows what it means
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The Dharma Express / Re: Cultural Appropriation in Western Buddhism
« Last post by Mrs Malaprop on January 08, 2020, 05:13:24 am »
The problem is that translators don't always agree. Also the meanings of common terms can vary according to which text they appear in.

Can you offer an example?

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And different teachers and schools might well interpret he meaning of particular terms in different ways.

That's very true.

This could go all the way back to when the Buddha taught.  He probably have a teaching more than once.  It's quite likely he gave a teaching differently.  I would say this was to address the paricular needs of his audience on any given day.


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We do need translations, but I think they should always be regarded as provisional, and approached with caution.

I don't think differences in translation are a bad thing and no reason for circumspection.  Different translation can give a wider perspective on the dharma.  One translator will say the First Noble Truth is Suffering.  Another will say Stress.  Neither, I think, is wrong.  I have a friend and teacher in Boulder, Co who stated that a better translaion for the phrase  "Four Noble Truths" in Pali might be "The Four Truths  Of The Noble Ones" .  There's a difference and an interesting one.  Right?  Wrong?  No one here can say, but it does offer opportunity for contemplation.

For example the meaning of dukkha varies according to context. Sometimes it means "unsatisfactory" and sometimes it means "suffering".
So it's not just about different translations of the same word.

Generally I agree it's useful to read several different translations of the same text, the differences can be quite illuminating.
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The Dharma Express / Re: Cork Mala Beads
« Last post by Gibbon on January 05, 2020, 07:24:57 am »
Sounds nice!  I would love to see a picture of the final product. 
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The Dharma Express / Re: Cultural Appropriation in Western Buddhism
« Last post by Chaz on January 04, 2020, 07:27:03 am »
The problem is that translators don't always agree. Also the meanings of common terms can vary according to which text they appear in.

Can you offer an example?

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And different teachers and schools might well interpret he meaning of particular terms in different ways.

That's very true.

This could go all the way back to when the Buddha taught.  He probably have a teaching more than once.  It's quite likely he gave a teaching differently.  I would say this was to address the paricular needs of his audience on any given day.


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We do need translations, but I think they should always be regarded as provisional, and approached with caution.

I don't think differences in translation are a bad thing and no reason for circumspection.  Different translation can give a wider perspective on the dharma.  One translator will say the First Noble Truth is Suffering.  Another will say Stress.  Neither, I think, is wrong.  I have a friend and teacher in Boulder, Co who stated that a better translaion for the phrase  "Four Noble Truths" in Pali might be "The Four Truths  Of The Noble Ones" .  There's a difference and an interesting one.  Right?  Wrong?  No one here can say, but it does offer opportunity for contemplation.
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The Dharma Express / Re: Cultural Appropriation in Western Buddhism
« Last post by Mrs Malaprop on January 04, 2020, 01:19:28 am »
Translations can be quite misleading, particularly the idiosyncratic ones.

I always have some discomfort with statements like that.  I tend to think, to offer commentary on the quality of a translation, some qualification as a translator of the source language would be needed, wouldn't you say?

The problem is that translators don't always agree. Also the meanings of common terms can vary according to which text they appear in. And different teachers and schools might well interpret he meaning of particular terms in different ways.
We do need translations, but I think they should always be regarded as provisional, and approached with caution.
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