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Split in the Community
« on: June 24, 2017, 10:07:08 pm »
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Saṅghabhedaka Sutta - Split in the Community




At one time The Blessed One was abiding in Gosita's monastery in Kosambi. Venerable Ananda approached The Blessed One, worshipped and sat on a side and The Blessed One said:

"So then, Ananda, is the dispute settled?"

"Venerable Sir, how could the dispute be settled, venerable Anuruddha's co-associate Bahiya, organizes a complete split of the Community and venerable Anuruddha does not think to say a word about it."

"Ananda, when will Anuruddha settle disputes in the Community? Isn't it that you should settle whatever disputes that arise together with Sariputta and Maggallana.

"Ananda, the evil bhikkhu (person/member of a community) seeing four reasons for his benefit delights in a split in the Community. What four?

"Here, Ananda, to the evil bhikkhu, with impure, under cover activity, with merely a promise to lead the holy life and with evil thoughts streaming, it occurs: If the bhikkhus come to know that I am with evil under cover activity, they will together decide not to associate me. When disssociated it would not be that they will never come to see me. Seeing this first reason for his benefit, the evil, impure bhikkhu rejoices in a split in the Community.

"Again, Ananda, to the evil bhikkhu with wrong views, holding an extremist view it occurs- If the bhikkhus come to know that I am with wrong views holding an extremist view, they will together decide not to associate me. When dissociated it would not be that they will never come to me. Seeing this second reason for his benefit, the evil, impure bhikkhu rejoices in a split in the Community.

"Again, Ananda, the evil bhikkhu leads a wrong livelihood and it occurs to him thus: If the bhikkhus come to know that I lead a wrong livelihood, they will together decide not to associate me. When dissociated it would not be that they will never come to see me. Seeing this third reason for his benefit, the evil, impure bhikkhu rejoices in a split in the Community.

"Again, Ananda, the evil bhikkhu, desires gain and fame in wrong ways and it occurs to him: If the bhikkhus come to know that I desire gain and fame in wrong ways, they will not revere, honour and esteem me, separated, I will be revered, honoured and esteemed Seeing this fourth reason for his benefit, the evil, impure bhikkhu rejoices in a split in the Community.

"Ananda, the evil bhikkhu seeing these four reasons for his benefit delights in a split in the Community."

See also: Iti 1.018; AN 6.87; AN 5.78; AN 5.129.

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Re: Split in the Community
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2017, 02:29:17 am »
In MN 26, it is said, after the Buddha attained enlightenment, the percentage of humanity he would teach would be very small or few.

However, due to the Buddha's great love & virtue, the Buddha's audience grew, until the Theravada increased the scope of its teachings and then Mahayana, a greater (broader) vehicle. emerged.

It follows the Buddhist community now is comprised of:

1. Radical orthodox heartwood Buddhists: such as the Buddhadasa schools, which includes Ajahn Chah & Sumedho schools.

2. Mahavihara Sri Lankan schools: which includes mainstream Theravada, such as Bhikkhu Bodhi, Thanissaro, Ajahn Brahm, Ajahn Sujato and the Sri Lankan & Burmese teachers.

3. Mahayana schools, such as Chaan, Zen & Tibetan Buddhism.

4. Vajrayana schools, such as Avalokiteśvara, which practise deity or Bodhisattva tantra.

5. Non-Vinaya Cambodian fake monk school.

6. Others.

In short, all of the above schools that fall under the umbrella of 'Buddhism' are the 'Community' because they all have some degree of faith in the great love & virtue of Buddhahood.

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Offline The Artis Magistra

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Re: Split in the Community
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2017, 08:47:10 pm »
I only just joined this forum but I am seeing lots of rudeness and disputing going on already, which was somewhat surprising considering that each of us seems to be considering ourselves Buddhist in some way. I used to be a member of an old forum called e-sangha, but the conditions seem to have gotten even worse potentially. Buddhism has experienced many internal disputes, but has continued as well. I hope that we may be able to just enjoy and kindly enjoin what is right without belligerence and hostility between each other. I certainly do not rejoice in the shunning of various expressions of ideas or certain phraseology or development and cultivation, I think it might be best to be somewhat patient and kindly explain things to people rather than to try to immediately  cause them distress while they are still vulnerable to distress and frighten them and slap the words right out of their mouths. I've seen this behavior in many people, it seems to be a problem worth examining. It may stem from a tendency to want only good and to destroy all words and phrases deemed evil but this extremist approach can be very unpleasant. If there are such who are so knowledgeable, it is kind that they share, but really it may be best they also leave disputation and go on to the next levels if they can, never to return.

 


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