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Re: Better than phowa, easier than phowa, what to do at the time of death!
« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2010, 08:05:58 pm »
There are some varying descriptions. The root guru is the Guru who points out the true nature of your mind.

Another definition is anyone that you have taken initiation with (in the Tibetan traditions). Obviously you can have many of those.

Another definition is (if you are going to limit yourself to one) whoever you have most faith in. That's the one I use.

Another definition is whoever you feel has been kindest to you. Gratitude is a good benchmark.

The definition I heard was the one that one has taken HYT empowerment with.

That's probably technically more accurate than just having taken any old initiation. The problem for me with that definition is I've never had any kind of experience during an initiation!

I don't think that you necessarily need to have a personal relationship with them, although it helps. I could be wrong about that.
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Re: Better than phowa, easier than phowa, what to do at the time of death!
« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2010, 08:12:21 pm »
The definition I heard was the one that one has taken HYT empowerment with.

One needs a lot of faith to have the nature of mind pointed out by that guru.  :pray:

But that's also a definition as well.. I will probably post an article on it later.

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Re: Better than phowa, easier than phowa, what to do at the time of death!
« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2010, 02:55:40 am »
Hi Catmoon,

That is a better image, thanks.  I think the round object is his divination mirror  :)
I don't know about the turquoise-colored object.

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Laura

It is common practice when making up an offering of rice, to include some semi precious stones.  For example in the mixture for mandala offerings.  So it is probably what it looks like - a piece of turquoise, which is considered an auspicious stone.

The object within it may well be his mirror.

My understanding of mirror or water divination is that the diviner is not the one actually looking into the mirror or water. A virgin boy is used to gaze into the mirror.  The boy then describes what he sees to the diviner, who then interprets it according to the information sought.

I have used Lama Dawa's service twice. The first time I messed up and did not phrase the question carefully enough. The second time his answer proved to be entirely correct.






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Re: Better than phowa, easier than phowa, what to do at the time of death!
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2010, 03:06:18 am »
The definition I heard was the one that one has taken HYT empowerment with.

One needs a lot of faith to have the nature of mind pointed out by that guru.  :pray:

But that's also a definition as well.. I will probably post an article on it later.

Peace

Yes, that's what I understand too. One may have a chosen 'root guru' with whom one has established a close bond and commitments, but we also have the possibility of several root gurus, one for each of the empowerments taken.  With HYT there is of course the relationship of 'samaya'.

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Re: Better than phowa, easier than phowa, what to do at the time of death!
« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2010, 11:41:00 am »
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What is HYT?  :namaste:

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Re: Better than phowa, easier than phowa, what to do at the time of death!
« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2010, 11:49:51 am »
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What is HYT?  :namaste:
Highest Yoga Tantra.  It's the top tier of the 4 levels* of tantra for the Gelug, Kagyu, and Sakya traditions. The Nyingmas have a different classification system of 9 levels so they call it something else but basically it's the same thing.
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*Kriya, Carya, Yoga, Highest Yoga. HYT is further divided into 3 sections. In the Nyingma school each of those 3 is a separate category, hence the greater number of classifications.
I'm embarrassed to say I'm not 100% sure about all that, so please feel OK to correct me.
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Re: Better than phowa, easier than phowa, what to do at the time of death!
« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2010, 12:20:08 pm »
Ok here's the article

http://www.samyeling.org/index/the-root-guru




Enjoy!

May we meet with the beloved gurus again and again!

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Re: Better than phowa, easier than phowa, what to do at the time of death!
« Reply #37 on: March 28, 2010, 01:05:24 pm »
Ok here's the article

http://www.samyeling.org/index/the-root-guru




Enjoy!

May we meet with the beloved gurus again and again!

 :jinsyx: :jinsyx: :jinsyx: :jinsyx: :jinsyx: :jinsyx:

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Thank you Sonam Wangchug, for the article from Samye Ling.
I now do not doubt any longer who my Tsawe Lama, or Root-Guru is.
I sincerely hope, until I have reached enlightenment for the benefit of all sentient beings,
to again and again, and forever, meet with my most kind, wise, patient,
and simply wonderful Buddha Dharma teacher.
May all students/practitioners of the Buddha Dharma know who their Tsawe Lama is in this very life time.
Om Mani Padme Hum!
   

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Re: Better than phowa, easier than phowa, what to do at the time of death!
« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2010, 01:19:47 pm »
This is from the link just provided. The way Rinpoche answers the second question is unique. I suspect it is a compromise with western sensibilities.

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By Khentin Tai Situ Rinpoche
 
It is said that there is a strong connection between the student and their Tsawe-Lama and that the student should offer uncritical obedience. Is this correct?

Yes, there is a strong connection or bond between the Tsawe-Lama and the student but the student will offer what he or she can. Some students learn more by simple acceptance; others learn more by asking questions. Both are good. This is not the army! The role of the Tsawe Lama is to bring you to know the true nature of your mind-to see the truth as it is - not to brain-wash you.

If someone learned that their Tsawe-Lama had behaved in a manner contrary to their own moral standards, is it possible for that student to break the bond and find another Tsawe-Lama?

The student should remember that the bond is voluntary and it is possible that that Lama is no longer appropriate. Perhaps it was not their true Tsawe-Lama so in that case there was no bond to start with. If the Tsawe-Lama should break his own personal Samaya (deep vows) then that dissolves the "contract" with the student and there is no longer a bond to break. If the student is unsure or uneasy then they should try to discuss the issue with their Tsawe- Lama, or with another Lama whom they respect - perhaps their Refuge-Lama. There may be a misunderstanding and an easy explanation. Time and common sense will show the way. If this is not possible, or if the student is still distressed, they should turn to their own Buddha-nature for guidance.
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« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2010, 01:36:59 pm »
This is from the link just provided. The way Rinpoche answers the second question is unique. I suspect it is a compromise with western sensibilities.

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By Khentin Tai Situ Rinpoche
 
It is said that there is a strong connection between the student and their Tsawe-Lama and that the student should offer uncritical obedience. Is this correct?

Yes, there is a strong connection or bond between the Tsawe-Lama and the student but the student will offer what he or she can. Some students learn more by simple acceptance; others learn more by asking questions. Both are good. This is not the army! The role of the Tsawe Lama is to bring you to know the true nature of your mind-to see the truth as it is - not to brain-wash you.

If someone learned that their Tsawe-Lama had behaved in a manner contrary to their own moral standards, is it possible for that student to break the bond and find another Tsawe-Lama?

The student should remember that the bond is voluntary and it is possible that that Lama is no longer appropriate. Perhaps it was not their true Tsawe-Lama so in that case there was no bond to start with. If the Tsawe-Lama should break his own personal Samaya (deep vows) then that dissolves the "contract" with the student and there is no longer a bond to break. If the student is unsure or uneasy then they should try to discuss the issue with their Tsawe- Lama, or with another Lama whom they respect - perhaps their Refuge-Lama. There may be a misunderstanding and an easy explanation. Time and common sense will show the way. If this is not possible, or if the student is still distressed, they should turn to their own Buddha-nature for guidance.

It sure is.  Release from Samaya is, as I undertsand it, is a matter for the root guru to decide upon unless that root guru has breached his vows.

Sometimes such views have  aparticular agenda in mind which slighly slackens the rules.

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Re: Better than phowa, easier than phowa, what to do at the time of death!
« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2010, 03:23:07 pm »
:dharma:
What is HYT?  :namaste:
Highest Yoga Tantra.  It's the top tier of the 4 levels* of tantra for the Gelug, Kagyu, and Sakya traditions. The Nyingmas have a different classification system of 9 levels so they call it something else but basically it's the same thing.
                                                                   :rbtri:



*Kriya, Carya, Yoga, Highest Yoga. HYT is further divided into 3 sections. In the Nyingma school each of those 3 is a separate category, hence the greater number of classifications.
I'm embarrassed to say I'm not 100% sure about all that, so please feel OK to correct me.

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Thank you santamonica.

I have questions ....
I might as well put some of them out here right now.

Is it so that when one has been initiated into i.e. White Tara one has been given a highest yoga tantra initiation?

When one has received from one's Tsawe Lama/Root-Guru, or a Rinpoche/Lama/Yogin/Yogini :^) 
an initiation into i.e. White Tara is the samaya related to the Root-Guru, or to White Tara, or both?

It is known, in the West, that when a bunch of enthusiastic people arrive at, for example, an initiation from a tibetan Lama/Rinpoche, that many people present don't know what is really happening.
When I suddenly found myself living for the duration of almost two years in a buddhist centre with a resident Lama/Rinpoche I noticed that some people took more than one, two, three initiation(s)/empowerment(s).
Some of these people seemed to collect empowerment(s), and maybe that was the right thing to do for some, maybe even for all who did do so.
In the centre I discovered that breaking one's samaya is a serious matter.
Every day one has to honer having received an empowerment, and one has to recite a specific liturgy
at least twice a day.
I therefore didn't dare to receive every empowerment given during my time in the buddhist centre because of
a fear for breaking commitments related to an empowerment.
At the time, alas, I was too shy to speak about these matters with Rinpoche, or anyone else.
All was new for me, and a bit confusing. I was observing.
All matters of real importance unfold slowly for me in this life. Karma.
Anyhow, for me it is best to keep my daily practice really simple and I am happy with the way things are for me.

Is it allowed to mention on the internet the initiation(s)/empowerment(s) one has received?
I will be looking forward to reading the replies, maybe tomorrow, or in the coming week or so.
Thanks for reading this. Sleep well! :namaste:
 








 









 
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Re: Better than phowa, easier than phowa, what to do at the time of death!
« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2010, 03:39:14 pm »
You have a number of points. I'll answer a couple and see what others think about the rest.

Is it so that when one has been initiated into i.e. White Tara one has been given a highest yoga tantra initiation?

I'm pretty sure no.


Anyhow, for me it is best to keep my daily practice really simple and I am happy with the way things are for me.

That is the ultimate criteria. Keep doing what you're doing.
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« Reply #42 on: March 29, 2010, 01:39:43 am »
HYT empowerments I've received involve Tantric Vows and also practice commitments.

The lower tantras such as Tara, Avalokiteshvara, Vajrapani etc. carry no samaya as far as I'm aware, nor the creation of a relationship with a root guru.

You can always double-check on the level of the empowerments by sending the guru or the centre an email.

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« Reply #43 on: April 02, 2010, 03:48:35 am »
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Thanks to all who have helped me by providing answers and giving good advise.
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Re: Better than phowa, easier than phowa, what to do at the time of death!
« Reply #44 on: April 02, 2010, 07:38:03 am »
HYT empowerments I've received involve Tantric Vows and also practice commitments.
Often times yes, but not always. The Nyingmas tend towards less of that kind of stuff, for example, unless one is a pretty serious practitioner. I've had plenty of Kagyu HYT that don't have practice commitments or samaya as well.
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