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Offline Melodious Conch

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It is true or not...
« on: August 18, 2015, 06:49:45 pm »
 :r4wheel:Khenpo Tamgrin Rinpoche:



Many people in the society said that they hasattained enlightenment, has seen the self-nature. It is true or not depends on whether they have compassion toward the sentient beings. If one has real compassion, he(she)maybe has seen the self-nature and has the realization, and vise versa.



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Offline Ron-the-Elder

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Re: It is true or not...
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2015, 06:00:58 pm »
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antiquebuddhas wrote:  "If one is faking about attaining Enlightenment, then all is not true."

So, the expression, "Fake it till you make it doesn't work in this case?"
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: It is true or not...
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2015, 10:38:57 am »
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I actually didn't get what you are implying.

"Fake it till you make it." is an axiom used in many self help groups, which means that when we are trying to achieve any particular goal or objective, that it helps to pretend  or act like we have achieved our goal.  The idea is to develop some momentum that will hopefully carry us through to the end.  For example, if a monk is having trouble living up to the rules set-up for him in The Vinaya Rules for Monks, he might just pretend for awhile that what he is asked to do is easy.  If he pretends everyday, according to the axiom, "Fake it till you make it."...he might actually make progress and eventually perfect his practice to the point of him achieving unbinding and release.  In the case of a drunk, who is trying to quit drinking, he might fake it till he makes it by pretending that he doesn't constantly crave a drink, and the hope is that he will some day no longer need a drink to make it through the day.

Another axiom, which I have found helpful in this regard, is "Progress, not perfection!"
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: It is true or not...
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2015, 04:44:49 am »
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Hmm, That explains the "Fake it till you make it doesn't work in this case?"

Not true, unless you have tried it and failed.  If you never try, then you will never know. Will you?  The idea of faking it till you are making it is to get folks having problems getting started with potential solutions to their problems to at least try.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2015, 05:00:50 am by Ron-the-Elder »
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

 


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