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Offline Melodious Conch

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Learn Dharma and practice or not, depend on...?
« on: September 16, 2015, 07:43:49 pm »
 :r4wheel:Khenpo Tamgrin Rinpoche:



Whether you can learn Dharma and practice or not, depend on whether you can correct and change yourself.
If you could then you were able to learn Dharma and practice; otherwise you were still the ordinary person without any merit.



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Offline Dharmakara

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Re: Learn Dharma and practice or not, depend on...?
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2015, 09:41:23 pm »
Sorry, but the above statement isn't just condescending in nature when it comes to other spiritual traditions (other than Buddhism), but it's also pure poppycock (and I'm not referring to Orville Redenbacher's blend of gourmet popcorn).

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Merit (Sanskrit puṇya, Pāli puñña) is a concept in Buddhism/Hinduism. It is that which accumulates as a result of good deeds, acts, or thoughts and which carries over throughout the life or the subsequent incarnations. Such merit contributes to a person's growth towards spiritual liberation. Merit can be gained in a number of ways, one of the sutras that reflect this teaching is the Sutra on the Ten Wholesome Ways of Actions which suggest ten ways in which merit-making can occur in the Buddhist context. In addition, according to the Mahayana Sutra of The Great Vows of Ksitigarbha Bodhisattva, one can "transfer" one-seventh of the merit of an act they have performed to a deceased loved one, such as in the Shitro practice, in order to diminish the deceased's suffering in their new existence. Pariṇāmanā (Sanskrit) may be rendered as 'transfer of merit' or 'dedication' and involves the transfer of merit as a cause to bring about an effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merit_(Buddhism)

Dialectics 101: In the greater scheme of things, to say that the ordinary person is without any merit would be the equivalent of likewise saying that the ordinary person is also without any karma.

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Re: Learn Dharma and practice or not, depend on...?
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2015, 01:53:03 am »
I don't think what melodious conch means, is how you are interpreting it. Obviously, no one is without merit or karma if those ideas are applied to reality.  But, you cannot practice dharma and stay the same. If you truly practice dharma you will change.


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Re: Learn Dharma and practice or not, depend on...?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2015, 04:23:57 am »
It wasn't Melodious Conch's meaning or understanding that I called into question, but that of Khenpo Tamgrin Rinpoche, as it was context of his statement --- of course, it might be another translational issue, something that has happened in the past:

http://www.freesangha.com/forums/the-tibetan-connection-(general)/the-sidelined-repentant-mind/

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Re: Learn Dharma and practice or not, depend on...?
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2015, 05:03:16 pm »
It's seems that everyone speaks through citations here, so it's difficult to decipher the individual from the scholars that they cite.  As far as obscured translations, it's very possible.


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